Yeah, if a destroyer is on to you and pinging, being quiet isn't going to do a thing... flank, knuckle, and DIVE.
And regarding torps, I always go to sea with an equal split of T1's and T2' s alternating. If a destroyer is close to you (~500 m) switch a steamer to med/fast and let her rip. They will see the steam but usually be up in flames by the time they can react.
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