A withdrawl is a defeat. If we're going to win this war we're going to be there for a long long time.
By win, I mean setting up the Iraqi gov't on it's own feet and making it capable of running day-to-day operations so they can continue fighting the ground war for us. The U.S will still be there on a support basis but our position in the war will decrease substantially. When the insurgency ceases, we've won.
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