[orangewhale]

I'm not supporting either side but we are all human no matter what we do but it is precisley because we are human which makes us accountable for our actions. And your Grandfather is absolutely right. He's actually quoting a very famous thing Thucydides's said and countless others have said over history who knows if Thucydides started it but it's the truth that old men start wars for the young to fight because only the young can fight long and hard enough to win, sad but true. Anyway, my sh3 isn't working properly so im gonna post something less heavy so that i can work out how to get it running again you know how computers r people, lol. ahh off for a cigarette :p