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Schatten · 12-13-06, 06:52 PM

I reckon CCIP could very well be right there. The fact that the IJN didn't have any real doctrine from ASW means that the danger could actually be increased a bit over what you see in SHIII, I mean the Allied ASW was very advanced in the later years of the war but once you started to watch their tactics and guage their capabilities then you'd be able to develop tactics against them.

Whereas with the IJN every escort had different equipment sets and with no real doctrine so you wouldn't know exactly what sort of skipper you were up against until he started to press an attack. Some would obviously be better than others and without standarized doctrine you'd be guessing how they'd deploy. Pair a good skipper with one of the escorts that had radar, didn't give his position away with constant sonar pings while in transit, etc and you could wind up getting caught with the proverbial pants down. Add to that the fact that later in the war you could very well run into a Japanese convoy that had more escorts than merchants and things could be very interesting (in a Chinese curse way) for you.

The unpredictability factor makes me think that the Japanese escorts will from time to time really surprise the hell out of us. Also they'll use the sensors they have a little more effectively than in reality I'd guess since individual crew skill at each station isn't modelled I don't think, so you'll have blanket green, veteran, elite, etc. categories which'll use all of their sensors and all of their weapons at that skill level.

At least that's how I can see it happening.

EDIT: Oh and the biggest threat? Depends on the year, early in the war you'll really have to watch out for being in areas with land based air cover, I know I for one really would get a sinking feeling in the pit of my tummy if I saw a gaggle of Zekes meader over my course. Also carrier based air would be a big threat if you were anywhere near the Combined Fleet's operational area. A Mavis flying boat could also spoil your day. Later in the war I'd be more concerned with having to go in tight with the Japanese coastline; hazards such as shallow water, minefields, shore batteries if you had to run into the inland sea and a faster response time to allow ASW ships to converge on you if you get spotted would be my main concerns.

12-13-06, 06:52 PM	#3
Schatten Engineer Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 212 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I reckon CCIP could very well be right there. The fact that the IJN didn't have any real doctrine from ASW means that the danger could actually be increased a bit over what you see in SHIII, I mean the Allied ASW was very advanced in the later years of the war but once you started to watch their tactics and guage their capabilities then you'd be able to develop tactics against them. Whereas with the IJN every escort had different equipment sets and with no real doctrine so you wouldn't know exactly what sort of skipper you were up against until he started to press an attack. Some would obviously be better than others and without standarized doctrine you'd be guessing how they'd deploy. Pair a good skipper with one of the escorts that had radar, didn't give his position away with constant sonar pings while in transit, etc and you could wind up getting caught with the proverbial pants down. Add to that the fact that later in the war you could very well run into a Japanese convoy that had more escorts than merchants and things could be very interesting (in a Chinese curse way) for you. The unpredictability factor makes me think that the Japanese escorts will from time to time really surprise the hell out of us. Also they'll use the sensors they have a little more effectively than in reality I'd guess since individual crew skill at each station isn't modelled I don't think, so you'll have blanket green, veteran, elite, etc. categories which'll use all of their sensors and all of their weapons at that skill level. At least that's how I can see it happening. EDIT: Oh and the biggest threat? Depends on the year, early in the war you'll really have to watch out for being in areas with land based air cover, I know I for one really would get a sinking feeling in the pit of my tummy if I saw a gaggle of Zekes meader over my course. Also carrier based air would be a big threat if you were anywhere near the Combined Fleet's operational area. A Mavis flying boat could also spoil your day. Later in the war I'd be more concerned with having to go in tight with the Japanese coastline; hazards such as shallow water, minefields, shore batteries if you had to run into the inland sea and a faster response time to allow ASW ships to converge on you if you get spotted would be my main concerns.