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Originally Posted by Kuzz
I'd just like to thank AVGWarhawk for one of the best inputs I have read thus far. That is a very realistic, mature and probably the grim reality that war is. I look up to people like you that can, altough having lost family members, say that you understand what made you loose a family member, and not just take the easy way out by pointing fingers.
Hating the enemy does not defeat him, understanding him does.
Take Hartenstein and the Laconia catastrophy... Whom was right at that point? The bombers that attacked his uboat, Hartenstein whom at other times killed allied soldiers or... no one? The latter is probably the most reasonable explenation, since a war, or a single event, is far to complex to just judge as "good" and "bad". As the same with the U-boat war, a war in which all our scandinavic countries lost men as well, even Swedes whom at other theaters were neutral. I still don't blame everything on the German U-boat commanders... they did what they had to do. I'm just glad the lost the war.
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Kuzz,
Losing a family member is terrible specifically if it was done by auto acident or something of the like. If ones life is given in the line of duty and in protection of the freedoms offered then it is not in vain. Today, my wife and two daughters live a free country without oppression. It was this ultimate sacrifice of my Uncle and MANY like him that afforded this great pleasure to my family. This goes for every country weather the aggressor or non-aggressor whos sons and daughters gave it their all in the best way they knew how. We have to remember these were young men, 19-22 years old full of piss and vinegar. Today the piss and vinegar has all but gone and a general understanding is present. Again, the human factor for both sides.
As far as winning the war. Yes the Allieds won the war. But in hindsight the Germans won as well. Germany could not go on with the leadership of Hitler. Hitler had great power/persuasion over the German people. He used it in the wrong way. Do you realize what a great nation Germany would be today(not that it is not a great nation today) if this power Hitler had was used for common good? Just the sheer technology the Germans had developed alone would have made it a great nation back in 1939. Jet engines, flying wings, U-boats, rocket motors, the list goes on. Just that alone shows what a nation it could have been during these years. Now we understand why the mad dash to take Berlin because we knew there was plenty more technology to be had. If this technology was used and shared with the great thinkers of the time we might even be using hover cars today or some other out of this world technology. I often chuckle looking at the technology we have today was a result of German engineering. Not to say we did not have our day in the sun!!!
Here is a case and point. In the Pacific, the Americans found a almost intact Japanese zero. It was taken, put back together and used as a trainer. It was also analyzed for it weakness and its potential. As a result, the Grumman Hellcat was created. The Hellcat defeated the zero in just about every engagement once it hit the theater of operation. German V rockets and the technology has given us the Space Shuttle as we know it today. If all the technologies were pulled together at this time, man, wonder what we would be flying around in today or driving to the super market....