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Originally Posted by STEED
Well Nemo answer this one.
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So you will not object to a government spy camera in every room of your house, including your bedroom, linked back to a police monitoring station? Apparently a lot of crime goes on behind closed doors. Child abuse, criminals conspiring, thieves dividing up their loot, drug dealers etc. The police could clear up a lot of crime with these new powers. Surely if you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear?"
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Still waiting for an answer to above
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Originally Posted by Captain Nemo
Are spy cameras and implanted electronic chips part of the ID card package then?
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Why dose this country have more spy cameras than any other country's?
The ID card will be a biometric card of course it will have a electronic chip in it.
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Originally Posted by Captain Nemo
Steed I think you are going over the top with the 1984 scenario.
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As of Jan 1st 2006 the police can arrest you without due course reason.
As a suggestion see how long you can stand outside Parliament protesting before the police turn up, feel free to try it.
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Originally Posted by Captain Nemo
Identity theft is happening now without ID cards in operation, so I don't see that they would increase crime in this area in fact they might even have the opposite effect.
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I'm not talking about crime in your area.
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Originally Posted by Captain Nemo
What have we really to fear from a piece of plastic with details on it to prove who we are?
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It's about the database state set up by this government, have you forgotten they are here to work for you not the other way around.
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Originally Posted by Captain Nemo
The only people that would need to worry are those who shouldn't be here in the first place.
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Here's the answer
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Immigrants and asylum seekers are already subject to stringent ID checks and must have their fingerprints taken etc. Illegal immigrants often arrive with no ID whatsoever, having shredded their passports in an attempt to become faceless and backgroundless. A National ID Card will do precisely nothing to stop this problem. Many illegal immigrants knowingly face death to get to safer countries. Would ID cards stop people who are that desperate?
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Originally Posted by Captain Nemo
As mentioned in earlier posts the ID card will show that you are a proud citizen of the UK and are entitled to the benefits that the country offers.
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In answer to your first question, as mentioned in my earlier post, your well over the top with your 1984 scenario. Where would the resources come from to monitor each camera in each room of each home in the UK? It won't happen so there's nothing to object to.
On your second point, are they really spy cameras or there to try and prevent crime? I think the latter is the case (although to be honest I'm not sure if they actually prevent crime, but are good at presenting evidence to a court). I was referring to a chip implanted into your body to track you rather than a chip on the card. I have no doubt that a chip will be on the card.
On your third point, I agree that being arrested without reason is wrong (but before this they would have you on a trumped up charge anyway). It's also true about not being able to protest outside Parliament for long before being carted off to the nick. But is this as bad as 1984, I think not.
Point four, nor was I talking about crime in my area, I was referring to that aspect of crime.
Point five, as mentioned before there is so much info already held on each individual in the UK on databases what difference is one more going to make.
Point six, asylum seekers should be interned at point of entry into the UK and sent back to where they came from if they haven't got a good case to stay. I agree that the ID card wouldn't stop them coming but it might help in tracking them down if they try and disappear amongst the UK population.
Point seven, I'm not saying you should be proud of the card, but proud to be a UK citizen.
Nemo