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Originally Posted by StdDev
Von_Capo.. you remarked that "Americans are trained to obey the laws" or something to that effect.. I dont believe that this is at issue in this incident.. many Americans are brought up with the "challenge Authority" mind set.. civil disobedience etc..What most Americans ARE capable of (learn early in life) is : pick your battles!
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It is a personal commentary based in my (in situ) observations of different populations.
Also it was addressed to some american members of this forum and how they make reference at their laws and enforcers.
It looks like they do not realize that enforcers are just theirs neighbors wrapped with power to make comply rules, and not the "untouchables". They are so clean or dirty as anyone.
Enforcers are necessary to maintain order in society, but as wild dogs, the leash must be keep it short and tight on them.
Otherwise we get undesirable events.
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Originally Posted by StdDev
When a guy the size of a diesel truck asks you to do something.. for christs sake dont mouth off to him.. particularly if the guy is wearing a police uniform!
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Here I have two answers:
1- Under american jurisdiction
(the case of this thread): Yes, I agree, it is better to keep the voice low and calmed because of electrocutions, pepper spray and beatings; and of course privation of your liberties to roam freely for a a time (there is exceptions, but deputies usually choose violence).
To complain is dangerous.
2- Others jurisdictions: It depends where and who.
It can be from a police trying to calm you down and to talk
(because the law does not authorize him to use force if there is not an imminent and physical threat), to a bullet in the brain.
I am wondering:
""Are the enforcers policing by consent or policing by compliance???""
I mean, does people comply because they recognize the authority; or because of fear to brutal methods authorizated by law?? :hmm::hmm::hmm:
About electroshocks:
From the link: --->
http://web.amnesty.org/pages/ttt4-article_13-eng
"Trading in the tools used to torture"
""" The school bus journey on 3 October 2002 started as normal for Chiquita Hammond, a 15-year-old schoolgirl in Miramar, Florida.
However, during the journey the driver stopped the bus and flagged down three police officers with a complaint that the students were being unruly.
Chiquita Hammond stepped off the bus.
According to the police, the teenager became verbally abusive.
When she started walking away, one of the officers grabbed the girl by the wrist and attempted to handcuff her.
Chiquita Hammond allegedly responded by knocking his glasses off.
She was then wrestled to the ground while the police officer tried to handcuff her.
Another officer sprayed her in the face with pepper spray, which the police said did not appear to have an effect.
At this point a third officer pulled out his M-26 Taser gun and fired it at Chiquita’s back, delivering a 50,000-volt shock.
The use of such a painful "less than lethal" weapon in this case constitutes excessive and disproportionate use of force."""
Police electrical baton with spikes, exhibited at the China Police 2002 exhibition in Beijing, June 2002.
Less sophisticated than Tasers, but the same purpose.
