[The Avon Lady]

Originally Posted by Ducimus

Ok refresh my memory, what exactly did Iraq have to do with the islamic raghead's that decided to park a couple airliners into the WTC?

Im listening really hard, and all i can hear is cricket's on that one.

The truth is, Iraq has abosutly NOTHING to do with Sept 11th. What happened was Bush worked us all up into a frenzy playing on the average american's patriotism.

After septh 11th, Junior decided that we were going to wage a war against a nationless entity in the traditional sense as if it were an acutal nation. Afghanistan we were on target, Afghanistan was a direct response and the appropriate one. After that we went off on this tangent fueled by paranoia.

That paranoia being, "OMG OMG Hussien has teh WMD!'s to sell to teh ragheads!" Maybe he did at some point, but history sure hasn't shown it. Are we still talking about 9/11? No, i dont think so. Now we're talking about trying to combat a nationless enity by a using a rulebook that this entity does not follow. Radical Islam and Jihad is not a nation, it's an idea, a beleif, and it's spreading like wildfire - you can't combat that by traditional means. Our attempting to do so, has only made it worse, and now we're stuck between a rock and a hardplace.

(edit: BTW, WMD is NOT the proper term, it's NBC )

WMD, NBC, CBS, CNN, BBC - whatever. :p

Regarding WMDs, may I suggest visiting the last page of my "Iraq WMDs Revisited" thread.

As for Saddam's ties to Islamic terrorists, I unfortunately do not automatically recall where a number of relevant articles on this were recently. However, this article from July, The Saddam-Osama Connection: The Terrorist Testimony, with all of its reference links, might be just the ticket.