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Skybird · 11-10-06, 06:59 PM

Thank you for leading me to this hypocritical hysteria, Phil.

"The plaintiffs in the case include 11 Iraqis who were prisoners at Abu Ghraib, as well as Mohammad al-Qahtani, a Saudi held at Guantanamo."

"Germany was chosen for the court filing because German law provides "universal jurisdiction" allowing for the prosecution of war crimes and related offenses that take place anywhere in the world. Indeed, a similar, but narrower, legal action was brought in Germany in 2004, which also sought the prosecution of Rumsfeld."

The state of Germany or the German people are not prosecuting anyone here. Germany is the scene of the action only. Like Germans or international citizens file their cases against companies sometimes at American courts when that gives them better chances for higher damage compensations.

Those Americans saying foreign people should not not stick their noses into other countries businesses (especially if it is US business) fail to see that this is what the US has excessively done in return in recent decades - and in the case of Iraq. And here it was no private enterprise, but official policy ordered by the highest representatives - like Rumsfeld.

German laws concerning this case refer to fundamental and inalienable human rights that are understood to be of general validity. Much like the US is claiming democratical American principles as being of general validity, and inalienable.

After all, it is the US rejecting the international court - not Germany, nor Europe.

Threads like this I do not miss. BTW, German online newspapers so far do not report a single word about it - I checked twelve newspaper and magazine sites.

Complain to Phil for my short visit - if you know what his avatar is

P.S. Just want to add that secretary or not, if the US can pontificate about rogue states and bad guys in other countires, than black sheep like Rumsfeld also should be held responsibole for the murderous mess they have created in Iraq - if for no other reason than unlimited arrogance and incompetence. Iraqui officials topday have said that their estimations of civilian deaths as a result of the war now vary in the range between 100 and 150 thousand. That surely is a good reason to have a closer look into those heads that brew this plot. Laws should work both ways. not only from the US to others, but eventually also the other way around. That is a principal truth that is not being chaned by the possebility that this court file maybe is just a pro-Jihaddist propaganda coup.

11-10-06, 06:59 PM	#18
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,716 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Thank you for leading me to this hypocritical hysteria, Phil. "The plaintiffs in the case include 11 Iraqis who were prisoners at Abu Ghraib, as well as Mohammad al-Qahtani, a Saudi held at Guantanamo." "Germany was chosen for the court filing because German law provides "universal jurisdiction" allowing for the prosecution of war crimes and related offenses that take place anywhere in the world. Indeed, a similar, but narrower, legal action was brought in Germany in 2004, which also sought the prosecution of Rumsfeld." The state of Germany or the German people are not prosecuting anyone here. Germany is the scene of the action only. Like Germans or international citizens file their cases against companies sometimes at American courts when that gives them better chances for higher damage compensations. Those Americans saying foreign people should not not stick their noses into other countries businesses (especially if it is US business) fail to see that this is what the US has excessively done in return in recent decades - and in the case of Iraq. And here it was no private enterprise, but official policy ordered by the highest representatives - like Rumsfeld. German laws concerning this case refer to fundamental and inalienable human rights that are understood to be of general validity. Much like the US is claiming democratical American principles as being of general validity, and inalienable. After all, it is the US rejecting the international court - not Germany, nor Europe. Threads like this I do not miss. BTW, German online newspapers so far do not report a single word about it - I checked twelve newspaper and magazine sites. Complain to Phil for my short visit - if you know what his avatar is P.S. Just want to add that secretary or not, if the US can pontificate about rogue states and bad guys in other countires, than black sheep like Rumsfeld also should be held responsibole for the murderous mess they have created in Iraq - if for no other reason than unlimited arrogance and incompetence. Iraqui officials topday have said that their estimations of civilian deaths as a result of the war now vary in the range between 100 and 150 thousand. That surely is a good reason to have a closer look into those heads that brew this plot. Laws should work both ways. not only from the US to others, but eventually also the other way around. That is a principal truth that is not being chaned by the possebility that this court file maybe is just a pro-Jihaddist propaganda coup. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.