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Originally Posted by August
I've said it here more than once. If Iraq comes out of this as a functioning democracy then great, but I was happy with just removing Saddam and his henchmen from power.
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After Hitler was removed, a new government was formed. Same thing in Japan. It didn't happen overnight, it takes hard work and patience.[/quote]
How often do you plan to repeat this thinking mistake, August?
Japan and Germany were totally defenseless and crushed, the many possible - and now present - resistances in Iraq never were, plus the interference frommoutside.
And what is even more important - you are talking about
three totally, completely, 100%ly different cultures. If you thought that Iraq woudl work, because Germany worked, than you are really a fool. Look beyond your schemes - your set is far too limited in scope. iraq is a lost war. And Afghanistan is about to be lost if you/we do not put immediate urgency on shifting ressources from the k,lost case Iraq to Afghnaistan. Instead I see a growing tendency of America silently leaving Afghanistan behind and leave it to the stupid Europeans to clean up the mess behind them - which will be beyond NATOs abilities and bring the troops there into extreme trouble sooner or later.
You cannot have both wars a win anymore. If you want both, you will loose both. If you put priority on Iraq (like in the last years) you also will loose both. If you shift priuority from Iraq to Afghnaistan, you will still have lost Iraq, but will have an - already extremely grim - chance to save what is to be saved in Afghanistan. Choice should be easy, I think. That would also mean to rethink western stand towards Pakistan.