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Originally Posted by Skybird
While the one alternative suggested by Baker & friends, is reasonable (phased withdrawal [of most troops
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You mean like what Bush's plan was all along? We never intended to stay there forever. |
No, not me, but Baker.
And no, not according to plan to install a democracy by american example and missionise them to Western ideas about freedom and democracy, but in violation of Bushs several-times changed declarations of what the war should achieve, a "plan" (if there ever was oine worth to be called that, I think their preplanning ended with the assumption that the Iraqui military would surrender sooner or later in 2003) which currently has been reduced to this: stay as long as the war has not been "won" and Iraq can't take care of itself and situation has not been stabilized". But the war has been lost since long, and Baker knows that when saying "there's got to be another way", and arguing against "staying the course". Only people dleiberately choosing not to think can still argue that the thing is an open issue and the outcome needs to be seen. The thing is decided - you lost. It's just a question of time until you run out of "arguments" to claim the opposite.
Wake up to reality, August. You are still dreaming, hoping the dream will last forever. It won't.
Now Baker, before him that British chief-of-the-army general some days ago, before him a US Marine general some weeks ago, before them that several high ranking US military leaders. It's over.