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i agree it is useless...and yet another argument agaisnt the dishonesty inherent in political correctness...(Political correctness has us burning our own books etc)...there is no point having discusions with a group of people who , when it boils right down to the last factor involved..are demanding the right to be ruled by the meanest thug with an AK47 a large funny hat and the biggest beard they can find...and that is it....what ever culture Islam once had it now has none other than that basic rule of fear...and it is useless to discuss issues with those whose only desire is to be ruled by thugs ..you may as well talk poetry with a fence post...they don't know why they want it themselves...they can no longer produce any culture worth even describing as culture so they are reduced to destroying those who have

they don't have any valid desires..how can we discuss compromising with people who don't have any valid desires..it's ludicriuos
they want to be able to kill their daughters if they marry some one they don't like? that's not a valid desire.....that's murder
the so called reasonable muslims would soon adopt the hard right fanatical doctrines if they were allowed to gain power..or they would be killed them selves we ALL know this...
hit them with human rights legislation and kick them out untill they decide they want to join the human race
the danger here is that in a democracy if enough of them enter your political system as voters they can simply vote for their desired party and it's game over..they can then abolish the political system and do what the heck they want.. that's what bin laden chuckles about when he's nodding of to sleep..