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TteFAboB · 09-26-06, 05:17 PM

Tariq Ramadan interceded to actually stop that Voltaire play, twice in a decade. The moderate bastard who speaks what we want to hear, lies always, and walks hand-to-hand with extremists in the background.

The problems of freedom are solved by even more freedom. If we have a problem with this play, we are free to do our own. To put our own final scene, as we think is fair, necessary, proper.

Now if we allow censorship, then we are no longer free to make our own plays. We'll have to be approved by the censor council we create today.

As nobody is forced to go watch something they consider to be of bad taste, there are no policemen kidnapping and tying people to their seats, nobody shall force censorship upon me.

Today I am happy to see a blasphemy of Mozart go down, tomorrow it's my Opera about freedom that will be canceled for insulting the totalitarian culture.

An important comment on the Pope. Manuel II Paleolo's points were three:

1. That Islam adopted violence as a legitimate method of conversion.
2. That this is the only invention brought by Islam.
3. That converting through violence is wrong: convertion should be achieved through rational persuasion

The first point is an expression of an universally known fact. Even if the Pope didn't take it as his own opinion he cannot disagree with it, that would be denying history.

The second point is entirely false. Islam brought a wide variety of innovations, one of the most spetacular being the only religious criminal code destined to be applied to all of mankind and not just inside this or that nation in particular. This constitutes the specific difference of Islam and without it its pretension of being a new and autonomous revelation would loose its strongest argument.

The third point is a resume of the traditional doctrine of the Church and the Pope could not disagree with it.

Therefore, Benedict's disagreement can only be with the second point, a historical error forgivable for the Middle Ages but intolerable today. The only point possible of hurting the Muslims is then but an error the Pope did not agreed with nor could he given his respect for history, examplified in the entire speech itself.

09-26-06, 05:17 PM	#5
TteFAboB Admiral Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,247 Downloads: 4 Uploads: 0	Tariq Ramadan interceded to actually stop that Voltaire play, twice in a decade. The moderate bastard who speaks what we want to hear, lies always, and walks hand-to-hand with extremists in the background. The problems of freedom are solved by even more freedom. If we have a problem with this play, we are free to do our own. To put our own final scene, as we think is fair, necessary, proper. Now if we allow censorship, then we are no longer free to make our own plays. We'll have to be approved by the censor council we create today. As nobody is forced to go watch something they consider to be of bad taste, there are no policemen kidnapping and tying people to their seats, nobody shall force censorship upon me. Today I am happy to see a blasphemy of Mozart go down, tomorrow it's my Opera about freedom that will be canceled for insulting the totalitarian culture. An important comment on the Pope. Manuel II Paleolo's points were three: 1. That Islam adopted violence as a legitimate method of conversion. 2. That this is the only invention brought by Islam. 3. That converting through violence is wrong: convertion should be achieved through rational persuasion The first point is an expression of an universally known fact. Even if the Pope didn't take it as his own opinion he cannot disagree with it, that would be denying history. The second point is entirely false. Islam brought a wide variety of innovations, one of the most spetacular being the only religious criminal code destined to be applied to all of mankind and not just inside this or that nation in particular. This constitutes the specific difference of Islam and without it its pretension of being a new and autonomous revelation would loose its strongest argument. The third point is a resume of the traditional doctrine of the Church and the Pope could not disagree with it. Therefore, Benedict's disagreement can only be with the second point, a historical error forgivable for the Middle Ages but intolerable today. The only point possible of hurting the Muslims is then but an error the Pope did not agreed with nor could he given his respect for history, examplified in the entire speech itself. __________________ "Tout ce qui est exagéré est insignifiant." ("All that is exaggerated is insignificant.") - Talleyrand Last edited by TteFAboB; 09-26-06 at 05:20 PM.