[The Avon Lady]

Originally Posted by scandium

Really? Tell me then, how many countries have tiny Israel's per capita rate of domestic, done on Israeli soil, terrorist attacks?

I don't know and I don't care.

What I do know is that successful terrorist attacks shot through the roof whenever politicos told the military to withdraw/retreat/relax/show leniency, etc. There's a simple pattern here.

We will continue to have such high rates of terrorism as long as the Arabs and Muslims have "wipe Israel off the face of the earth" on their checklist. Other than packing our bags and leaving or committing mass national suicide, however, a tough and vicious military approach, with the right tactics, has been the best solution against these barbarians. Of course, the disdain and morally bankrupt hypocrisy we receive from westerners like yourself are one of the biggest contributors to the morale and justification for terrorists to keep on killing and maiming us and eventually you, too, as you will unfortunately find out if the world keeps turning the way it has for the last 3 decades.

How many other countries bulldoze, per capita, the number of homes that Israel does?

Another often helpful tactic. Now think about how much more terrorism there would have been had Israel said to terrorists, their families and their accomplices that no matter how much terror you throw at us Israelis, we will just turn the other cheek like the good Christians the world wants us to be, though no one else would ever be stupid enough to practice this thenmselves.

How many first world countries have the ~40% unemployment rate that is enjoyed by your segregated and disenfranchised Palestinian population?

Now you should be telling the Arabs that terrorism doesn't pay. But you don't. It's all Israel's fault, ain't it? Boo hoo!

How many countries detain, without trial and per capita, the number of people that Israel does?

Well, how many countries are in Israel's situation and if they were I'd say this would have to be much of a necessity under wartime-like circumstances. Once again, boo hoo. Cry the poor terrorists!

How many 21st century countries are building the kind of midieval style walls that Israel is building?

I don't know but for a mideival structure, it's working pretty well. Again, another working solution, though I don't believe it's positioned in the right place.

And how many 1st world countries practice the kind of pre-Mendalla Apartheid that is practiced in Israel?

We have no separate buses, hospitals, doctors, restaurants, benches, etc., for Israel's Arab citizens. Arabs are fully represented by their duly elected parliamentary members in Israel's Knesset. But you wouldn't know that, would you. In fact, I would question whether you know what apartheid was altogether at this point.

And how many 1st world countries routinely use their airforce to bomb targets within their own borders?

Make up you mind. Gaza, Judea and Samaria are within our borders? Thank you. I'll call up Mr. Olmert and update him.

Yet you think your approach is working? Why then does your country resemble so much more of a police state than any other 1st world country in the World?

Because we're in a pepetual war. But considering the circumstances, my kids can go out on the streets and play, safer than in most N. American cities, we can shop and travel and what not quite safely for the most part today. It wasn't like that a decade and less ago, when we tried your stupid methods of appeasement, compromise and unilateral concessions, which only made things worse.

And that's exactly the point I was arguing with about you but you didn't catch. It's sort of reminds me of the Orwell quote in your sig. :hmm:

And before you simply blame the Muslim Palestinians,

I'm an equal opportunity employer. I blame Christian and Marxist Pals no less.

recall that other countries (such as France, the US, possibly Germany, and many others) have far more Muslims living within their borders yet use none of your methods and have none of your problems.

Just wait and see. Time will tell. Tell me, are you familiar with Islam's laws regarding land previously claimed as Muslim land? We are not in Canada, Toto.

So clearly what have you've been doing for the last 70 years hasn't worked, and the attempts at a paper Palestinian state that has never gone anywhere is a red herring. Though quite possibly if you gave them a real state, one with real sovereignty, then maybe you wouldn't need to build walls.

Of course. Sure. They've proved how stable and peace loving they are. All those explicite proclamations, to this very day, in the PLOs, Hamas' and Hizballah's charters about Israel's destruction, can simply be ignored. Like Neville Chamberlain, you wish to wave another piece of paper or two in our direction and tell us that everything's going to be alright.

But there already is and has been a Palestinian state for over 70 years. Its name is Jordan. The majority of its population is and always was "Palestinian." Yes, those quotes are intential. You figure it out.

The history of Europe is one that is far bloodier than that of Israel's, yet you don't see Germany expelling French citizens,

Germany lost. Both sides also ceased hostilities. That's because the wars were decisively won, something the world doesn't permit Israel to do, nor does Israel itself understand anymore that it has to.
[/quote]or Spain bombing Portugal. Not that the rest of us have entirely clean hands at home or abroad, but your country seems unique in its ability to spend decades fighting the same battle with the same tactics with absolutely no insight into the fact that they've accomplished little beyond exporting your domestiv conflict to the rest of the globe.[/quote]
On the contrary. It's the hypocritical world, that gives the terrorists their ongoing support, money and motivation that keeps them going.

Had the world stood shoulder to shoulder decades ago and said we don't recognize the idea of a state run by people who blow up airplanes, buses, schools, houses and restaurants full of people, who slaughter unarmed Olympic participants, who blow up embassies, who continue to proclaim to this very day in all of their national charters that Israel must be destroyed - well, sir, you see, its thugs like you that support the beasts who are the most to blame. Shame on the likes of you.

Of course you don't see this and are the forum cheerleader for blaming all the worlds ills on the mostly powerless and many places all but enslaved Muslims;

Boo hoo. Muslims peacful people. Boo hoo.