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Old 09-19-06, 11:46 AM   #103
Immacolata
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Originally Posted by Immacolata
I do believe war can solve this. It has to be a ruthless war which the west, at the moment, is unwilling to undertake. As was mentioned earlier, you have to inflict pain on them to get them to change.
No one is willing to wage such a war. It is complete bollocks to even think about it.

As for your map AVL

Show me one of the age around the ottoman empire, lets say late 1700th century

Like this:

Hardly the result of any crusades

The british empires accumulated territory:



Hardly the result of a crusade, either.

As for the medieval crusades? Normally I do not give a flying fart about Wikipedia, but actually this rundown is a very good description of it Crusades wiki style

To cap it short, the pretext was a war of religion, the vested economical intereset was trying to gain power and riches while there was available hands for it. Naturally the Crusades could not have taken place after the bubonic plagues of the late medieval era, simply because there was no hands and people had no problems getting rich grabbing their dead neighbours estates.

There was tensions between empires as the caliphate pushed towards Byzantium. The casus belli came perhaps from the destruction of the Sepulchre in early 1100th century. However, it was about politics, power and land. Religion was a nice flavour to it.

The Reconquista of Spain was another conflict over land. The moors lost that battle. Was it a religious battle? No, I do not believe it was more religious than it was driven by politics

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Originally Posted by Karl von Clausewitz
“War is not merely a political act but a real political instrument, a continuation of political intercourse, a carrying out of the same by other means.”

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