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Old 03-28-25, 03:13 AM   #9
JU_88
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Originally Posted by Hooston View Post
AI finds text on the internet matching your question, combines it with your question and spits it back at you. It has no real understanding or knowledge, no quality control, and makes stuff up to fill in gaps. Which is what makes it seem human I guess!!! Wikipedia says U-976 was bitten by a mkXVIII Tse-tse, and includes a proper reference https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Havilland_Mosquito. ...I wonder how much of Wikipedia is being edited by AI! We really are living in a post-truth age.
I'm not sure about 20mm cannon. Although there was an "armour piercing incendiary" round I think this was more designed for thin aluminium aircraft armour and would struggle against 18.5mm high tensile steel. The British must have developed the Tse-tse for a reason! I'd be interested in any hard data. I read an account of a British Cromwell tank that was shot at by a German 20mm flak and all the rounds stuck in the armour instead of bouncing off. It turned out the crew had been given a mild steel training tank by mistake. They decided to keep it because it was a lot faster than the rest of the troop.

Your regular Mosquito FB mkVI, and the Beaufighter had four 20mm cannon which would certainly make a hell of a mess of everything outside the pressure hull. The U-Flak boat U-441 got a good working over from 3 Beaufighters which killed 10 men and wounded 13. However despite this the boat was able to dive away and made it back to port under the command of the boat's doctor https://uboat.net/boats/u441.htm.

AI just does the same as what you or I do with Google/Site searches and comparing different results - just faster and with out too much scrutiny or predjudice. But yeah, its still at the mercy of the source info being wrong, as are we, so not a huge difference really. In some cases it might even be advantageous as its less likley to dismiss 'a truth' based on its own stupid political bias/ emotionally driven narrative which many humans relegiously adhere to. At least that what the term 'post truth' means to me alot of the time: 'It must be true if it confirms what I already believed' and 'its cant be true if it makes me feel uncomfortable.' Maybe the term should swapped for 'Post adult'.

Anyway, Im ranting...
According to Uboat.net (if they are to be belived) the pressure hull was typically 18mm thick steel, so I guess we just need to know if a 20mm Hispano could penetrate 18mm of steel, if yes then there is your answer if you want to look. Personally Im already quite satistfied I have read enough to suggest it could (within a set of variables, attack angle, range, ammo type etc). Also in the case of something like the Beaufighter or Mosquito which had 4 cannons, keep in mind those guns were set to converge at a certain range, like 400-600 meters, so 4x 20mm concentrated at one spot is going hurt more than a single 20mm gun.

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