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Old 11-23-24, 09:50 AM   #5337
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This means that the West will fall back every time Russia claims something too unacceptablele that it woudl seriously put its war goals into question. Which translates into Rujssia will wint he war any way, becasue any serosu threat to this outcome would make the Russias rais ethreats from whcib the Wets then would flal back. That way, the West has given up the war for beginning on. If you will fall back any time the enemy will tell you he goes nuclear if you do not let him win or put his intention to win into serious threat, then you must not even get started.


This also means: the Ukraine has lost, and is lost. I therefore see no point in continuing the slow and prolongued death of Ukraine. They should negotiate to Russia's terms and give the occupied territories up. I hate to say this, but thats how I have come to see it over the past months, since late summer.



The West makes me sick.



I would claim (and in fact do claim since summer 2022) that this was Berlin's and Paris' and Brussels' and Washington's intention from beginning on. To behave just "as if", for alibi purposes ("we tried, but the Russians were too determined..."), while just weakening Russia's military and let Ukraine pay for it with continuing self-destruction. Boiling the frog. Nobody in Europe wnats the ukraine into the European club, it would mean a massive shifting of the centre of power from the West to the East of Europe. And that was never to be accepted.



A club of liars.



I see no reallstic chance for Ukraine to "in", or to take back the occupied territories.


Russian forces on Ukrainian soil now count over 700,000, still growing. Those many propaganda videos by Ukraine on how they do thsi and that to some Russian unti here or there - in the big picture mean practically nothing, are propaganda to keep morale burning. I doubt that it works with the exhausted troops on the front. That might be the reason why Ukrainian desertations grow higher from month to month.



Babble Olaf says there should be a just peace negotiated. Well, Russia doe snto need to take care for justice or fairness. It can more or less dictate the conditions.



I hate this outcome, but again: the War is decided. Ukraine lost. The West pissed his pants. The only question now is how many more Ukrainians must die and how much more damage to cities and infrastructure it takes until Ukraine is ready to admit this grim truth.



I do not expect Trump to do anythgi s urrpsing that would massively alter the way the war is going, and then making the Ukraine winning. He will not do such a massive thing. The Pentagon btw is in a working mode of preparing for the war with China. Thats why the are boiling the Russian frog. But they possibly got the oppsoite of ehat they epcted: not a weakening of Russia, but a unifying of the anti-Western front.


I think that future historians will take the Russian assault on Ukraine as the turning point in time when the inherent slow collapse of the Western cultural sphere and its dominant relevance in the world turned open and obvious.


The next highly relevant event smashing the West will be China's challenge to the American carrier group concept. I am not putting that much confidence into these carrier groups as the Americans do. They are nice for suprerssing oinfeiror enemies. Equal enemies on same eye level thats a completely different story then. And every missile defence can be over saturated, every carrier wing can be outnumbered. Chinese losses would be high. American carriers would be gone. Who can digest this outcome better, China or the US? I think the answer is obvious. Smart weapons and AI do not care for the training expertise of crews and officers. And a simple balloon showed to be enough to raise serious problems to American defences.



The West is in decline. Thats what it all means.
Cry me a river with your defeatism the West is far greater in its economy, military and nuclear deterence a couple new missles of Russia we can out produce in short time. Russian economy is the size of the New York City economy. Yes, you heard that right. Not even the State of New York. New York City GDP equals that to Russia’s. Actually, with all the sanctions and price caps on Russian oil, Im sure New York GDP now is higher than Russian. Considering Russian economy is about 60% exports of what they dig out of the ground, considering their minimal wage is like $ 100 per month, millions of people living below poverty line, Russia has no place anywhere near economical charts of developed countries. The funny part is that the USSR produced far more manufactured goods (as a percentage of GDP) compared with Putinistic Russia. The communists were 'striving' to buy and produce technologies, and tried to be technologically independent. Putin's Russia is not even able to produce efficient oil and gas extraction equipment. Russia needs the West, the West doesn’t need Russia! Even a small European nation like the Netherlands scores a GDP of 1,0 trillion (Russia GDP $2,24 trillion) with just 17 million population and limited natural resources. The difference between Norway and Russia in average living standards is 90 percent, highest in the world between two countries with common border (UN/OECD,2018). And we are in decline sure dream on. 1 Russian Ruble equals 0,0092 Euro wow what a glorious progress.
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