[CB..]

i agree completely...and that's my point.....it is a clash of civlisations..and religious beliefs...and of course about who is right and who is wrong...which is why what we believe to be right and wrong is absolutely central to the clash on all levels of intellect..
in order to resolve it peacefully (unlikely) some sort of debate is needed between partys...which is a nightmare when the issues are political- it is allmost inconcievable when the issues are centurys old religious convictions...but we have been avoiding the issue for allmost as long as those beliefs have existed.....now we can no longer have that luxury...either one has to wipe out the other..or all have ask the gut wrenching question...does the human race have to die because of what it believes..it won't matter a damn whose right or wrong in the end...it will come down to a simple choice...do we survive or do we die..

i dunno what the two idiots in the supermarket were on..they seem to be assuming that it is possible to deal with it in normal terms...it's far and away a much bigger issue than appeasment or aggressive attack can deal with..it is in fact an issue that adresses the very nature of our intellectual development as a species..IMO