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There is no limit to arms support for Ukraine, outgoing Dutch Defence Minister Ollongren believes. "When it comes to weapons, conventional weapons, training and spare parts there should be no limit, as far as I'm concerned" Ollongren believes it is important to support Ukraine "permanently." "I think we have evolved in how we do that," the minister says in the interview in which she looks back on her time as defence minister. "We started supplying from our own stockpile, and now we do it in cooperation with other countries and industries because we also had to keep our stockpile up."

Not only Ukraine, but also the security of the Netherlands benefits from the military support, Ollongen stressed. "It is not like we are sitting here safely behind the dikes. We are part of the EU and NATO, and it can also affect us." She points out that it is a large-scale war, with trenches and drones. "That's what awaits us if we don't handle this wisely." She thinks it is important that the Netherlands allocate enough money for defence.