[Süddeutsche Zeitung]
In Ukraine, an overwhelming majority in a poll opposed compromises with wartime adversary Russia in exchange for a peace deal. According to the results of two renowned institutes, more than 90 percent of the approximately 2,000 respondents were against ceding territory. Almost 74 percent ruled out renouncing membership in the NATO military alliance. A reduction in the number of troops in the army in peacetime was rejected by 80 percent.
At the same time, however, only just under 49 percent of Ukrainians saw a positive development of events in their own country. Last December, after the successful expulsion of Russian occupiers from northern Ukraine and large parts of Kharkiv and Kherson regions, nearly 60 percent still believed that.
Among the demands of Russia, the aggressor, is that Ukrainians relinquish state territory in the east and south, including the Crimean peninsula annexed in 2014. Ukraine should also refrain from joining the Western military alliance NATO, which is enshrined in the constitution. In addition, Kiev should agree to extensive demilitarization and grant more rights to the Russian minority in the country. Moscow currently controls nearly 20 percent of Ukraine's territory.
The survey was compiled from August 9-15 in government-controlled regions excluding Luhansk Oblast, Donetsk Oblast, and the Black Sea Crimean Peninsula. A total of 2019 adult Ukrainians were interviewed in person. The margin of error is not to exceed 2.3 percent.
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So they say, "We will continue to fight". Okay, the question of whether or not it is moral to continue military support has been answered. Because the only entity that can legitimately answer the question of whether to continue to resist or to surrender to the aggressor is the victim, nobody else.
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Originally Posted by Catfish
^ i would prefer to assist Ukraine in a way that the war is ends soon with Ukraine getting back its territories. And this will only work with massive support.
Any peace treaty with Russia will be seen as a weakness and appeasement by Putin and his cronies, and they will be trying to invade again in a few years unless we put an end to their imperialism now.
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You probably have red/seen/heard of Medwedev's latest tirade. Sometimes even Goebbels sounded like a layman, compared to this scumbag.
But it shows that without Putin things may become miuch worse. Domnian parts of the military and seucirty aparatus want to escalate and are not satisfied with Putin's "softness". They especially want unlimited generla mobilization to cover Ukraine territory with a 1.5 m thick layer of Russian and Ukrainian bodies. More bodies than Ukraine has bullets to kill them all, thats the logic.
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Originally Posted by Jimbuna
Nothing will stop Russia I'm afraid unless NATO come up with a solution because NATO is the only entity Putin is wary of.
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Unfortunately he is also aware of the psyhcological weakness of Wetsenr societies, whcih is a fact imo, and he may rate this as more decisive than NATO's military abilities (with all its low ammo stocks of European arsenals and the lesser interest of states to fight Russia the further away from it they are in the West of the continent...)
Lets face it, Europeans are too comfortable to take care of their own freedom and countries, the brunt of the fighting thus would be carried by Americans again. I cannot criticise them if they are not eager to do so (again). If I were American, I woudl say "No, not again. Its your turn."
Its our Europe, it should be our job. But we will NEVER pick it up, I'm afraid. The lousy state most of our militaries are in (not just the pitiful German one), speaks volumes. And Germany has fully pulled out of its
Zeitenwende promise, and has officially sacked all implied fund raises. That tells all, doesn't it.
Worse still, debts from other policy areas and spending in those areas , will be counted as positive saldi of the German defence budget in the budget for 2024 to make it look bigger than it is and to appease NATO with financial phantoms and money that does not exist. Like they already do with troop contingents they report as available but that do not exist
. - Your read that right, trust your eyes. Insanity rules. Rationality and responsibility got murdered in their beds long time ago.