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Skybird · 07-14-23, 06:45 AM

We do not have first hand information, only what the media and the propaganda channels - if both are not the same... - are releasing.

Judging by these, I see the offensive in real danger of ultimately bogging down. It seesm as if territorial gains are anything but decisive, everywehre, and have come from a slow pace to a crawl. Modern mines, artillery delivered mines, top attack mines, Russian kamikaze drones, now apparent air superiority, intel drones, successful jamming by Russians and deliberate attacks on the small cleared pathways through minefields force the Ukrainains apparently to movement at snail speed, if anything in recent 7-10 days the speed of their advance seems to have dropped even further than to stay constant or become faster.

In other words, the planned attempt at aggressive manoeuvre warfare that would bring benefits to Ukraine is increasingly turning back into a stationary war of attrition again - and that favours the Russians. They have prepared their defence grounds, and they have prepared it well. Time enough they have had.

Things are not going well. Not even contact with the first Russian defence line while alrready having suffered substantial losses, that cannot be glossed over, even if you have to expect higher losses for the attacker.

And the Ukrainians have still not managed to penetrate even to the first line of defence (of three), let alone make a breakthrough in it. Anything they publicise in terms of successes doesn't really seem weighty to me. The victories that the Ukrainians have achieved are not decisive. The amount of the Ukrainian losses, on the other hand, is likely to be more significant and higher than Ukraine wants to make known.

No, I really don't think things are going well. Let's hope that the recently delivered cluster munitions for the artillery will make a difference. My scepticism has grown in the past 4 weeks.

In parts ther Germans have to be held repsonsible. Their endless hesitation caused delays in the equipping of the Ukrainian brigades that gave Russia the time to fortify and prepare its defences, more and more with every week and every month passing by.

07-14-23, 06:45 AM	#11857
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,790 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	We do not have first hand information, only what the media and the propaganda channels - if both are not the same... - are releasing. Judging by these, I see the offensive in real danger of ultimately bogging down. It seesm as if territorial gains are anything but decisive, everywehre, and have come from a slow pace to a crawl. Modern mines, artillery delivered mines, top attack mines, Russian kamikaze drones, now apparent air superiority, intel drones, successful jamming by Russians and deliberate attacks on the small cleared pathways through minefields force the Ukrainains apparently to movement at snail speed, if anything in recent 7-10 days the speed of their advance seems to have dropped even further than to stay constant or become faster. In other words, the planned attempt at aggressive manoeuvre warfare that would bring benefits to Ukraine is increasingly turning back into a stationary war of attrition again - and that favours the Russians. They have prepared their defence grounds, and they have prepared it well. Time enough they have had. Things are not going well. Not even contact with the first Russian defence line while alrready having suffered substantial losses, that cannot be glossed over, even if you have to expect higher losses for the attacker. And the Ukrainians have still not managed to penetrate even to the first line of defence (of three), let alone make a breakthrough in it. Anything they publicise in terms of successes doesn't really seem weighty to me. The victories that the Ukrainians have achieved are not decisive. The amount of the Ukrainian losses, on the other hand, is likely to be more significant and higher than Ukraine wants to make known. No, I really don't think things are going well. Let's hope that the recently delivered cluster munitions for the artillery will make a difference. My scepticism has grown in the past 4 weeks. In parts ther Germans have to be held repsonsible. Their endless hesitation caused delays in the equipping of the Ukrainian brigades that gave Russia the time to fortify and prepare its defences, more and more with every week and every month passing by. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert. Last edited by Skybird; 07-14-23 at 06:55 AM.