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Originally Posted by Yahoshua
12 Ga. loaded with birdshot will do the job every time when you are indoors and in a CQB situation (15'-25').
.45 WILL also do the job and has the positive side effect that it almost NEVER causes an exit wound (and damaging whatever is behind your target). 9mm is a different story.
If you want a good evaluation of different rounds vs. penetration.
go to a website called: www.theboxo'truth.com (spelling might be a little different but it's an excellent site run by a retiree who has too much time on his hands).
And contrary to popular opinion. Reloading doesn't save you any money at all. You shoot 4 times as many rounds for the same dollar that would buy you one. (Same goes for shotguns).
And in all honesty. I don't care what you own. I want a class 3 M-60 because I like to waste money on an expensive toy. It doesn't mean that I'm going to go deer hunting with it (what parts of the deer do you think is gonna be left?) but it'd sure be fun to play with one every once in awhile (responsibly that is).
Also, just a pet peve of mine regarding the term "Assault Weapon." Anything can be classified as a weapon by the authorities (think nail clippers and airport security). And "Assault" is a behavior, not an object. There ya go. A little english class for ya today. 
Anyway, to directly address the topic of Gun-Control. I suggest people go to their local libraries and check out a couple of books written by John. R. Lott called:
More guns : Less Crime
The Bias against guns.
These books both have solid statistics behind it, and I highly reccommend it to people regardless of where you stand. |
I agree with everything you say, except one thing - Bird Shot. Bird shot is not worth it's salt for much more than a bird, unless you like spraying someone with stinging BB's! :p Ask Cheney - he can give you a better description of what it's like to shoot someone with bird shot!
Its an accident, I know, but I still have to poke some fun with it, since this happens all the time with hunters, and Cheney is the higly publicized one.
Birdshot penetration factors give a greater than 95% survival rate - bad for you since criminals like to sue. Buckshot however gives a smaller 30% survival rate from one round - much better for you.
Speaking about M60's - I have to head back down to AZ sometime this year. Friend of mine bought one and I figured I'd go run 1000 rd's or so through to check it out.
-S