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SUBMAN1 · 07-25-06, 08:38 PM

My thoughts are, a .45 is not going to save you from multiple people. If 6 guys enter your home, and all you have is a .45, then you have a big problem. Next in line is again - the assault rifle - AR-15 in this case. Though it does a better job statistically than what the AK-47 would do killing wise, what it doesn't do well is wall penetration. Matter of fact, that is a big problem in Iraq now. Wall penetration is better with a 9mm, .40, and .45 than it is with an 5.56. So on one hand, what you say makes some sense, but on the other, a 5.56 is actually stopped more due to lower mass, regardless that initial mass will be high - it can't keep its energy going. So it is actually the better round to shoot at intruders in a home than a pistol ever would be. The AK round however is not real good and has higher penetration. Of course, you can't shoot it reliably at over 100 yards so it is the inferior weapon as compared to the AR-15/M-16.

As for the tool, I hear ya on one hand, but I also disagree with you after what we saw with Katrina. Roving bands of armed gangs. A simple .45 is not gonna do it for ya! Things will be different however in states like Washington for example. The difference? You will have a 9.0 magnitude Earthquake, yet everyone will still be here. There will be chaos everywhere and your roving gangs will be way worse for the survivors. Something with a larger ammo capacity will be required for situations like this. There is no other alternative.

Last but not least is the shotgun - I guess if you plan on killing your intended intruder, they only have a 30% chance of survival from a 12 guage loaded with buckshot. To compare it to an AK - they have a 76% chance of surviving after getting hit even multiple times according to statistics.

And the final reason - I have to agree with you - shooting up everything with a .22 just isn't fun.

Just my two cents. I could keep going, but you get the jist of it.

-S

PS. One more thought - Why should Americans not be armed with equal rifles as the military? Why should this be different than say 200 years ago where you were considered weird and unpatriotic for not owning a military style rifle? Just a thought. Sometimes I think our forefathers were a hell of a lot more intelligent than we are today.

07-25-06, 08:38 PM	#3
SUBMAN1 Rear Admiral Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 11,866 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	My thoughts are, a .45 is not going to save you from multiple people. If 6 guys enter your home, and all you have is a .45, then you have a big problem. Next in line is again - the assault rifle - AR-15 in this case. Though it does a better job statistically than what the AK-47 would do killing wise, what it doesn't do well is wall penetration. Matter of fact, that is a big problem in Iraq now. Wall penetration is better with a 9mm, .40, and .45 than it is with an 5.56. So on one hand, what you say makes some sense, but on the other, a 5.56 is actually stopped more due to lower mass, regardless that initial mass will be high - it can't keep its energy going. So it is actually the better round to shoot at intruders in a home than a pistol ever would be. The AK round however is not real good and has higher penetration. Of course, you can't shoot it reliably at over 100 yards so it is the inferior weapon as compared to the AR-15/M-16. As for the tool, I hear ya on one hand, but I also disagree with you after what we saw with Katrina. Roving bands of armed gangs. A simple .45 is not gonna do it for ya! Things will be different however in states like Washington for example. The difference? You will have a 9.0 magnitude Earthquake, yet everyone will still be here. There will be chaos everywhere and your roving gangs will be way worse for the survivors. Something with a larger ammo capacity will be required for situations like this. There is no other alternative. Last but not least is the shotgun - I guess if you plan on killing your intended intruder, they only have a 30% chance of survival from a 12 guage loaded with buckshot. To compare it to an AK - they have a 76% chance of surviving after getting hit even multiple times according to statistics. And the final reason - I have to agree with you - shooting up everything with a .22 just isn't fun. Just my two cents. I could keep going, but you get the jist of it. -S PS. One more thought - Why should Americans not be armed with equal rifles as the military? Why should this be different than say 200 years ago where you were considered weird and unpatriotic for not owning a military style rifle? Just a thought. Sometimes I think our forefathers were a hell of a lot more intelligent than we are today. __________________ Last edited by SUBMAN1; 07-25-06 at 10:09 PM.