[August]

Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980

Nationalism/Jingoism, which most often masquerades as "patriotism" drives what you speak of, a almost blind loyalty, void of intellectual thought or consideration, it is reactionary. Real patriotism is not ignoring problems, waving a flag, and repeating platitudes that make us feel warm and fuzzy inside while ignoring the problems.

None of that applies to me so whatever.

The hungry immigrant comes here but is most often exploited, abused, more than typical US worker is. Frankly, they just do not know any better, they are desperate so they come here to be cheap labor. Our economy was founded on free labor of slaves, which were replaced by exploited immigrant workers, first Europeans, and now its mostly those poor souls in Latin American and Asia.

CRT theory? please. The Pilgrims had entire armies of slaves running around picking bay state cotton? New England Whalers, Pennsylvania farmers, Maine lumbermen they all succeeded only because of their many slaves? C'mon now. You have a better education than to believe that.

The fact is our huge and multi-polar economy was founded on a lot of things, including thirteen quite disparate state economies and several foreign economic spheres cobbled together under an experimental new form of government that did, and still does, offer the best chance for advancement than anywhere else in the world, George Bernard Shaws opinion notwithstanding. What did that dour Irishman know about us anyways?

I much prefer Mark Twains take:

We are called the nation of inventors. And we are. We could still claim that title and wear its loftiest honors if we had stopped with the first thing we ever invented, which was human liberty.”

As well as that of the Ralph Waldo Emerson:

America is another name for opportunity. Our whole history appears like a last effort of divine providence on behalf of the human race.”

Sure, in some ways may be a better life than where coming from, but it is a false comparison to compare the USA its natural born citizens with a third world country. When compare the USA with other Western, developed nations, we lag far beyond. We're wealthy, but stingy when it comes to helping out our own people as other nations do

The socialism you call "help" costs them a lot bigger slice of their earnings too and a lot of western nations have the luxury of not paying for their own defense because stingy old America does it for them.

...people who believe angels are real

I stopped reading right there. I'm not religious but your snarky comments about peoples personal beliefs just confirmed my own satisfaction that you are leaving.

I do love the US, for what it is supposed to be, but it has degraded far beyond that and there is, barring something akin to a miracle, no saving it in my life time, so yes I wish to find better culture, better country to reside in.I am lucky that I have the ability to do that, some people are stuck, I feel for the majority.

I don't think the majority here would feel that they are stuck. Certainly the millions trying to get in to our great land wouldn't feel that way so go, find your utopia.

"Guests" ah yes, your fellow citizens who disagree with your nationalistic view, so we should just "cut them loose" lol. Sounds like you would fit in well in a authoritarian regime. Ah the contradiction lol.

You completely missed the point. By guests I meant those who act like their homeland is just some dingy hotel room that can be swapped out for improved accommodations at a whim. I feel that such people are only drags upon whatever society they reside in so yeah I would be quite glad if they went and became a drag elsewhere. How does that make me an authoritarian? Hmmm?

This thread escalated quickly into what is basically "Americuh, luv it or leave it! errrr!" Attacks on me because I reached out on a forum with a lot of international users, regarding living as a expatriate.

I detected little or no rancor from anyone here. Simple criticism of your plans and opinions are not attacks and if you really feel that way it sounds to me like you have a thin skin which ought to serve you well in your new foreign home.

BTW did you make your decision yet, maybe set a date? I heard somewhere that you actually have to pay a fee to give up your US citizenship. Ain't that some bull? Worse than the get out of town taxes they have over in Rhode Island!