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Originally Posted by OKO
For your information, this is what a great grec poet wrote after the battle of Thermopylae, where 200 spartans were killed after holding the pass near 2 days.
THIS IS about the spartan sacrifice you were talking about, trying to tell me I didn't knew anything about it, when I spent dozen of hours reading about this fascinating subject :rotfl:
So, you right, give you a break watching foxTV, and start to understand what your are talking about.
And let's face it...French weapons are nearly never combat tested...
OMG ... you are really SO ignorant, Kurushio ...
The last time french planes were used at large scale during a war, was the 6 days war.
for 1 Mirage III downed, more than 25 arabs planes were destroyed (at ground and in the air)
No american planes even appraoch this performance at ANY time in ANY war.
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I beg to differ. The F-4 over Vietnam (which was a ten year war, not a 6 day war)
...The F86 over Korea (against the Mig 15) and pretty much all the F during the gulf war...then you also forget the P-51 mustang during WW2 and all the other P planes and Fs...ever heard of World War 2? So I think your statement saying the Americans have never approached the performance of Israeli planes during the 6 Day War is ludicrous.
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Wether you like it or not, it's a french plane that have the best fighting ratio of all wars : the Mirage III, in Israelian hands.
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All wars? As I said before...WW2...the French don't even come close...not to mention the Vietnam and Korean war.
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You military culture is just a succession of HUGE hole of knowledge, dude .... 
Ask to Israelians what they think about french plane hehehe, they developped their own planes FROM the french, and not the US, design, after we refused to sold them anymore weapons (following libanian occupation in 1982)
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Right...I'm not the one making stupid statements saying an Israeli mirage shot down more planes then all the American planes in all the wars. World War 2...you know...when France had to be bailed out? Where were the French planes then?
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When are you going to stop to say stupid things ??
When ?? Just tell me please !!!
Compare the RAFALE to the eurofighter, not the M2000, 20 years older !!
About the F22, it's a fighter only, VERY poor at loadout compared to a FA18/E and Rafale (the 2 best fighters/bombers at this time)
Eurofighter is a waste : It was designed to be interceptor only,
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Wrong, the Eurofighter is a swing-role aircraft...much like the F/A18 Superhornet.
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and during the development, received new specification that changed LOTS of his original design.
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rubbish....it was always designed as a swing-role
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This give a bad hybrid, not as good at air fight as he was supposed, and VERY far from the Rafale about ground attack.
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They are equivalent...I've seen both at Farnborough..in the air and on the ground. I bet you've only seen them in your comic books.
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It's just a failure, far from rafale in every aspect except A2A fight where they are at the same (good) level.
The best interceptor at this time is, of course, the F22.
But he is limited at this fonction : air domination, and will not beeing used at something else, because it cost 6 or 8 time the price of FA18, much more capable in every other aspects than A2A.
SU-35 ?
there is one ... this is a prototype and will stay
russians don't have enought money for this.
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Now here is where you really embarass yourself and show to everyone you are a PHONEY, FAKE 'expert'. You know NOTHING. HAHA...stop now and hide yourself, please...
The SU-35 is a prototype? HAHAHAHA! lol...WHAT RUBBISH:
SU35:
This is the protoype you are thinking about, the SU-37:
Who is the ignorant one? Hide yourself..will ya...you know nothing of which you speak...you talk and write RUBBISH.
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To resume
Actually the best interceptor (completly useless fonction now) :
F22, followed by MiG31 (which was the best interceptor for 20 years), then Sue (27 -> 33)
As there is no more fast bomber threat, this fonction is obsolete
best fighter (A2A)
1) F22
2) eurofighter / rafale (both using stealth tech and rafale inculde the best threat detector available at this time + best CM system ever embarked on a fighter)
3) Sues (powerfull but not enought sophisticated radars, absolutly not a stealth plane) They have better missiles than 2), but are sooo detectable they will be engaged far before they know there is something around.
I have to admit this "best fighter" classification is subject to looooooong talks
the best multirole fighter :
1) Rafale
2) FA18/E, rest of plane far behind
no discution about it, even if FA18/E is quite close to the Rafale (and even a little behind in one aspect => the loadout size)
Is that more clear for you know, Kurushio ?
Did you understood all, this time ?
No need for another translation ?
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bah...SHUT UP...and taking English lessons wouldn't hurt you. Also making sure what you write is correct...SU-35 a protoype...LOL