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Originally Posted by Skybird

Same in Germany. My father is is sports gunner and for some years was member of the police sports club in Berlin, which was public - you could get access to it's training facilcities even if you were no policeman (my father is classical musician, no policeman). He became friends with a Kriminalkommissar who once told him in secret that if he ever would confront a robber, a thief or whomever in his appartment and cannot make him freezing by simply threatening him with his firearms, so that he needed to shoot at him, he should make sure that he a.) kill him for sure and b.) makes sure he doe not kill him with the first bullet, which would be suspicious to be an intended kill and thus could be followed by an examination for murder and c.) that he does not need too many bullets for this would be rated as excessive use of force and could have legal consequences as well. And if he only shoots and injures the man he needs to expect to be sued for "Körperverletzung" (physical injuring?) and "attack with a lethal weapon."I got injured myself by a knife last year in a street assault out of the blue. I defended myself and while completly disabling him I unfortunately could not avoid to injure that sucker quite severly, and he was motionless. Although his lawyer later withdraw the case, initially I got charged for physical violance (Körperverletzung), which even was legally suspect becasue at that tim,e he trialed the case he was under charges by the police himself! (seems to be a grey area in German laws, but I do not know) Man, you lawyers and idiots - that guy tried to put a knife into my poor belly, I have a 6 cm-long scar on my right side from a 2 cm deep cut when he tried to stab me! Obviously some people would expect me to accept being stabbed down and die in my blood.Accepting to be a victim is a virtue. Weakness is a virtue. Strength is elitary - it needs to be condemned. We are all a happy family, Western society is great, reasonable and tolerant. Death to anyone who casts the shadow of a doubt about this paradise.Perverted thinking stinks.

Thats terrible! It is understandable though because people who like to be victims can't stand people that are able to defend themselves (Its a phycology thing) and would rather die than give up their victim status. Problem is, these people seem to be the very people speaking the loudest to get their laws passed since people that can defend themselves don't give these thoughts a second thought.

What really needs to happen is that criminals should be held to and give up all their rights during the commision of a crime with intent to harm. Its the only way to fix what is broken.

-S