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Originally Posted by Sonicfire1981
No, I'm saying whataboutism is wrong. always. Voting against impeaching Clinton for lying under oath & obstructing justice was wrong. If there was a "Whataboutwhattherepublicansdidbefore" (I don't remember, but I'm also too young to have been overly interested back then) - that was *more wrong*.
It's an easy argument to not do the right thing now (voting against the constitution wether the senate should resolve this impeachment or not - because there really isn't anything to decide) because of what the oponent did 22 years ago.
I have a theory that these senators are afraid, which would be a natural thing to be - think Whittmer, think family Raffensperger.
The question you have to answer for yourself: is this still a country you want to live in? Where any official no longer has take care of what (s)he says, can *unintentionally* bring a violent mob, that, without any connection to the officials words, goes after the officials enemies. Where they takes no responsibility for the actions of their followers.
Basically the reign of those with the most violent followers. Do you want this to happen again, or should you do everything possible to prevent it?
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Ok, I understand. I'm not for this overheated rhetoric myself, not when Trump/Limbaugh/Hannity spew it, not when AOC/Schumer/Pelosi and the miserable congress rats like Maxine Waters and Sheila J-Lee, Cynthia Johnson, Marjorie Greene and other slimy bits of bowel excrement spew it.
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Originally Posted by 3catcircus
Are you referring his well-known love of pursuit of women? Doesn't make him sexist, but yeah, not keeping it in your pants is a character flaw.
Are you referring to his "grab 'em by the..." tape?
When you look at the entire tape, it's clear he was illustrating the difference in reaction from certain kinds of women who gravitate towards a career in entertainment to such a forward move by some random regular guy and if it comes from the rich and famous who have the ability to improve the financial and social standing if they let them.
Unfortunately when the MSM and political opponents take the video and edit it down to just "...and I grab them by the..." without the context of the words trying to illustrate the double standard in entertainment, that's the only thing most people ever see and hear and naturally assume that's what he said and he's a sexist pig.
I don't think anyone thinks he's squeaky clean - decades in real estate in NYC pretty much guarantees that he's done some less than aboveboard things, but I think that what most everyone is most upset about him is that he wasn't able to be bought off or silenced by political enemies or by so-called allies - that he didn't fit the typical mold of a politician or public figure where they think they've got some dirt that ends his run and instead of a grovelling apology, he just ignored it or worse (for them), he returned fire (and it was usually an on-target, fire-for-effect response).
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I'm referring to his lifetime achievement status of being a horrible person toward women. Cheating on his wives, sleeping with dumpy porno queens, bashing women in debates, and yeah, the general attitude and tendency to debase women.