[Rockstar]

Originally Posted by Catfish

Tell this to the US?

Germany is dependent on other nations energy-wise, yes, this is why it tries to get independent by introducing more renewable energy sources.
The politics of former chancellors like Schroeder are not Merkel's politics, but signed treaties you know .. ah i forgot this means nothing today in the US, and England

haha I posted Schroder and Putin because to this day they still have a very close relationship and its quite easy to find information from the past revealing because of Gerhard being close friends with old East German Secret police officers and Putin. That Merkel has Nordstream 1 and 2. Speaking of bad memories for just about four years now all I've heard was the worst thing on earth for a western leader to do was to be a friend of, make peace or deals with Putin. Now suddenly its OK?

You think that a dependency energy-wise or else solely on the US is much better, especially under Trump?
Germany is trying to get independent from anyone,a nd while this is still a glint at the horizon it is better than marching on on old bad paths.

I dont know about Trump. What I do know is without some miracle technology Germany can never be energy independent. Unless of course it starts building more nuclear power plants or goes into Ploesti again. But you still have choices and astonishingly Germany chose Putin.

I do not care much what some EU members say about anything as long as those are Poland, Hungary and Romania. They are all on their way on a special dictatorship and disregard human rights and democracy. I'd say the sooner they leave the EU the better, but they will not: They want the EU's money. Which is the only reason they are still there. Maybe the EU should throw them out. Maybe they can form a "Dictator's in Europe and proud of it" pact.

That's another thing I kept hearing how concerned I ought to be of what the world thinks of us. Guess we do have something in common after all because I dont care either. Oh and speaking of Dictators Putin said he's going to be increasing Russia's naval presence in the Baltic to guard their investment. But I suppose the United States Navy or Her Majesty's Royal Navy will have to guard you?


As for Poland I think they like others are beginning to see Germany/E.U. a royal pain in the arse. They want the E.U. out of their judicial system and are probably ready to leave the E.U. Your media demonizes Poland as a dictatorship. Yet 16 years ago in 2006 defence minister Sikorski said the Nord Stream project echoed the 1939 Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact, under which Nazi Germany and the Stalinist Soviet Union carved up Poland at the start of World War II. But we'll be there to help Poland

The greatest environmental impact in connection with the pipeline results from the consumption of the transported gas, if it allows more imports to the EU. That would be in conflict with decarbonization efforts for climate protection. At a nominal capacity of 55 billion m3/a (1.9 trillion cu ft/a), each pipe pair can cause carbon emissions of 110 million tonnes CO2 each annually. Methane losses during extraction and transport need to be added.

Ethical issues

The former Chancellor of Germany, Gerhard Schröder, and the President of Russia, Vladimir Putin, were strong advocates of the pipeline project during the negotiation phase. International media alluded to a past relationship between the Managing Director of Nord Stream AG, Matthias Warnig, himself a former East German secret police officer, and Vladimir Putin when he was a KGB agent in East Germany. These allegations were denied by Matthias Warnig, who said that he had met Vladimir Putin for the first time in his life in 1991, when Putin was the head of the Committee for External Relations of the Saint Petersburg Mayor's Office.


The agreement to build the pipeline was signed ten days before the German parliamentary election. On 24 October 2005, a few weeks before Schröder had stepped down as Chancellor, the German government guaranteed to cover €1 billion of the Nord Stream project cost, should Gazprom default on a loan. However, this guarantee expired at the end of 2006 without ever having been needed.[153] Soon after leaving the post of Chancellor of Germany, Gerhard Schröder agreed to head the shareholders' committee of Nord Stream AG. This has been widely described by German and international media as a conflict of interest,[154][155][156] the implication being that the pipeline project may have been pushed through for personal gain rather than for improving gas supplies to Germany. Information about the German government's guarantee was requested by the European Commission. No formal charges have been filed against any party despite years of exhaustive investigations.


In February 2009, the Swedish prosecutor's office started an investigation based on suspicions of bribery and corruption after a college on the island of Gotland received a donation from Nord Stream. The 5 million Swedish kronor (US$574,000) donation was directed to a professor at Gotland University College who had previously warned that the Nord Stream pipeline would come too close to a sensitive bird zone. The consortium has hired several former high-ranking officials, such as Ulrica Schenström, former undersecretary at the Swedish Prime Minister's office, and Dan Svanell, former press secretary for several politicians in the Swedish Social Democratic Party. In addition, the former Prime Minister of Finland, Paavo Lipponen, had worked for Nord Stream as an adviser since 2008.