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Old 06-22-06, 08:40 PM   #14
Kurushio
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Originally Posted by Amizaur
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Yes, China can make a jet fighter...and a good one...but one to match an F-22?
We don't talk here about China. Or even Russia. We are talking about european united consorties, something like Airbus vs Boeing.

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The US has been playing with Sonar against the Soviets in real combat situations (i.e. not a lab or sim) for nigh on half a decade.
Again, we don't compare here to Russians. And don't talk about blue water, which is 95% of Us experience and cash invested.

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Now, historically nuetral Sweden has better Sonar technology then the Americans? Maybe made by Ikea to boot.
We don't talk about Sweden sonars again but european. Sweden was given as example for radars. In fact I have no idea how good sweden sonars are, but I wouldn't expect them to be worse than let's say german. ESPECIALLY in Baltic - like, shallow water conditions. Here they are probably better. Whose was that sub US leased and tried to counter for a year in shallow, and opts for another year ? I have no doubt that the sub itself made dosens of simulated attack on searching ships itself. Historically common result in such excercises - blue navy vs small diesels in shallow waters that they know better.

And the last - if you had bet in let's say 70's or 80's that Sweden radars can't be as good as American ones... you could have nasty surprise maybe... For example radar and avionics of Saab J-37 Viggen fighter were said to be in many aspects (not sheer power maybe, just like Viggen was not top-end airframe) better than those on US F-15As and later F-15Cs... Just like Gripen radar, avionics and datalinks are better than all F-16C versions with exception of Block 60. Even Block 52+ with newest APG-68(V)7 or 9 are maybe equally (overall) good radars, but still worse avionics (especially situational awarnes - related and datalinks - both critical to A2A performance). Of course Gripen was and still is specialised A2A fighter with some attack capabilites integrated, so in A2G role is less modern and capable than late F-16s blocks...

Of course you can say, and you'd be right, that today US has AESA radars, JSFs and F-22s. You are right. Sweden dropped from technology race some time ago - for top-end systems at least. But in 70s and 80's there were no better US radars than APG-63... and FWIK Sweden radar was shorter ranged, but very comparable in counter-counter measures and capabilites, and the overal Vigggen avionics (not to mention datalinks!) were better on Viggen than on F-15s.
Best european for sure. Better than Tornado's F3 systems too, with exeption for radar range also.
Please tell me your whole post is a joke? You say "we don't take about Russia here...we don't talk about Sweden here..." and then you go on about RADAR when the whole bloody discussion is about SONAR!!!

...and then...you mention Sweden and Russia in your post before mine and you harp on about a Swedish plane in the rest of your post...oh but "we don't talk about Sweden"!!!!


...by the way Amizaur, weren't you the one who said a US Carrier could only do 30 knots?

Last edited by Kurushio; 06-22-06 at 08:58 PM.