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Skybird · 08-04-20, 03:05 PM

Gerrymandering, anyone?

Look it up.

The final nail in every election's coffin.

You see, all these rules to me are just attempts to prevent obvious counting results. If the voting result leads to "majority tyrannizes minority", then the area for which the vote applies maybe is too big in adminstration and jurisdiction (and mind you, I follow Brennan and Hoppe in their criticism of states and modern democracies, so I hardly am suspicious to be in favour of big states). The ancient Greeks, whose state concept that they called "democracy" indeed was aristocratic), indeed knew the majority dominating the minority as one of their three basic models of "tyrannis". Their answere was, wanted or accidentally, to not let the plebs have anythign to say at all, only 5-15% of the aristocratic male, free, rich elites in a given city state were allowed to raise their voice in the assembly and to give their votes when an issue was to be decided by majority vote. The way we understand democracy today to be about general elections for each and everybody, and for societies iclduing millions and dozens and hundreds of millions, imo simply is dysfucntional from beginning on, and gets reinforced by the trend of just any "state" to always, inevitably, become more and more authoritarian. You cannot escape this.

Add to this that in this scenario of general elections for everybody, most voters do not form reasonable, altruistic decisons in full knowledge and competent understanding of all relevant financial, economical, sociological, educational and so forth facts, as it is implied, but highly irrational decisions, egoistic motives and habits and traditions. Thats why the whole show degenerates into that fiasco that election campaigns usually are, and whose phrase firing and word swinging is still one of the best arguments against elections alltogether.

But why do I type this, I have typed it so many times before. I say: don't vote, do not legitimate those of whom you must be expected by now to know that they are not worthy at all and will drive their power interests only and do that with your money and your hand's labour, and further I leave it now to referring once again to Jason Brennan, and Hans-Herrmann Hoppe.

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Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,729 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Gerrymandering, anyone? Look it up. The final nail in every election's coffin. You see, all these rules to me are just attempts to prevent obvious counting results. If the voting result leads to "majority tyrannizes minority", then the area for which the vote applies maybe is too big in adminstration and jurisdiction (and mind you, I follow Brennan and Hoppe in their criticism of states and modern democracies, so I hardly am suspicious to be in favour of big states). The ancient Greeks, whose state concept that they called "democracy" indeed was aristocratic), indeed knew the majority dominating the minority as one of their three basic models of "tyrannis". Their answere was, wanted or accidentally, to not let the plebs have anythign to say at all, only 5-15% of the aristocratic male, free, rich elites in a given city state were allowed to raise their voice in the assembly and to give their votes when an issue was to be decided by majority vote. The way we understand democracy today to be about general elections for each and everybody, and for societies iclduing millions and dozens and hundreds of millions, imo simply is dysfucntional from beginning on, and gets reinforced by the trend of just any "state" to always, inevitably, become more and more authoritarian. You cannot escape this. Add to this that in this scenario of general elections for everybody, most voters do not form reasonable, altruistic decisons in full knowledge and competent understanding of all relevant financial, economical, sociological, educational and so forth facts, as it is implied, but highly irrational decisions, egoistic motives and habits and traditions. Thats why the whole show degenerates into that fiasco that election campaigns usually are, and whose phrase firing and word swinging is still one of the best arguments against elections alltogether. But why do I type this, I have typed it so many times before. I say: don't vote, do not legitimate those of whom you must be expected by now to know that they are not worthy at all and will drive their power interests only and do that with your money and your hand's labour, and further I leave it now to referring once again to Jason Brennan, and Hans-Herrmann Hoppe. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.