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Old 06-16-06, 04:50 AM   #12
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Default Why the Islam threads, and criticise Islam

Since it was asked in two parrallel threads why these threads are there and why one should want to be so "intolerant" and criticise Islam and prefer ignorrance over "multi-culti", I suggest the following as an answer. By content it could have been from me, I agree with it very much.

I have massively criticised Bush and Neocons and the gap between American ideals and reality of American policy in earlier years. I was heavily attacked for that, but no one ever threatened to hurt or to kill me. I have criticised Christian sects and churches repeatedly and substantially, but never someone gave me reason to think he might visit me with a knife between his teeth.

It is no hobby for me, but in this forum we do speak abiut these things as well, and when in my real life I get asked, or someone tells nonsnes on these things in my presence, I do not let it go by untreated. It is important, it is about what I call my home in a wider understanding, and the future of our culture. You can expect that in my mothertongue I am more flexible and competent to express my thoughts. And more clearly.

As I have indicated earlier this year, in January I received the first paper/mail-letter ever where I was cursed for my "lies" and "attacks" and "distortions" of Muhammad and Islam, and was warned to let it be else my life may be shorter than I expect. Obviously it has come from a Muslim not from this board, since none here knows my adress, but some Muslim who happened to hear me and knows me from my real life. In February, I received the second of such a letter. I feel honoured. Usually you read in the newspaper about such things happening. Or is intimidating more regular today, even intimidation by our own governments? The editor of the conservative Brussel Journal, with whom I agree sometimes, sometimes not, is threatend with prosecution for the second time within weeks. First he was accused of racism and inhuman intolerance when criticising the pro-Islam policy of the EU, now they try to silence him with accusing him of violating his responsebility to edcuate his youngest children, because he is practicing home-teaching, which is allowed in Belgium, although rarely practiced. His two or three older children currently have made it as far as up to university. Obviously he cannot have tought them too bad. State controllers have tested them, and found them to be fully educated.

I am not afraid of this mail I received, it just justifies my opinion on Islam, and has risen my alert status a bit, and made me even angrier of the stupidity of people embracing Islam and mixing up tolerance with submission, multi-culti with Islam, racism with civilizational self-defense. That I get called a fascist some weeks ago, an intolerant and bigot, a phobic and whatever it is, I am used to. I got called by the same names whan I attacked the Iraq war in 2003. And back then the general atmosphere here was much more aggressive, and much hotter.

And just for the record, the old members do already know this, but there are some newcomers that have not stayed long enough to have red aboiut me in the past: I know a little bit about Islam by own experience. I lived and worked half a year in Iran, half a year in central and east Anatolia, and for another couple of months I have travelled several other Muslim countries. I red more than just three or four books about Islam, my shelf is nicely covered with stuff about it'S history, sociology, policy, and aboiut Koran, Hadith and the biography of Muhammad, the historically true figure I mean. If you think I just snap up some headlines and mirror them, and express some frustration about the EU, you are wrong. I attack Islam not becaue I do not know it. I attack it just exactly because I have learned about it.

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Stop accommodating and tell the truth
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Jihad Watch Board Vice President Hugh Fitzgerald offers an alternate plan to dhimmi governing officials:



A state policy of trying in every way to accommodate Muslims, including the policy of not offending them -- or rather, not doing anything that they could conceivably claim offends them -- is madness. It is obvious that Muslim groups, Muslim spokesman, Muslim individuals, are trying to force the Western world not to see what is in front of it. When appeals to the Idols of the Age ("Everyone Wants the Same Thing," "Everyone Is Exactly Alike") don't do it, other methods are chosen. These include murder of the outspoken (Pim Fortuyn or Theo Van Gogh) which unfortunately tends to make some Infidels suspicious of Muslims. It includes threats of murder, which unfortunately do not always work (Geert Wildres, Ayaan Hirsi Ali). It includes lawsuits and threats of lawsuits, including those the State brings (the trial of Oriana Fallaci). It includes outrage and hints of economic repercussions (Arab governments might pull those glossy ads), which can cause critics to lose their jobs (Will Cummins at The Telegraph).
The main thing is to shut those Infidels up, to force them to watch every word.





But this is madness. This is not only wrong, this is the very opposite of what should be done. Everywhere Infidels should demonstrate, repeatedly, ostentatiously, that they have studied the Qur'an and Hadith, and that they have read a sufficient amount about Jihad-conquest and the subjugation of non-Muslims, over 1350 years, so that they cannot be fooled. The mere presence of a single Infidel who knows what he is talking about at one of those Mosque Outreach sessions, can destroy its value to the Muslims who are attempting to inveigle the unwary Infidels. Knowledge is everything; knowledge and the ability to articulate. Those Infidels who wish to carefully regulate the language in which Islam is discussed, because they have been told to do so by apologists for Islam (in many cases, Muslim propagandists and agitators; in other cases, non-Muslim collaborators; in still other cases, simpletons in positions of authority) are simply choosing to deny what Islam teaches, what attitudes it clearly inculcates, and what has been the perceived behavior of Muslims, animated by the immutable texts, from Spain to the East Indies over 1350 years. One can ignore all that and keep hoping and wishing, or one can decide to pull the pillow off of one's head and face the day, however disturbing it may be. The most intelligent thing to do is for Muslims to be put constantly on the defensive, to be constantly made aware that non-Muslims no longer will accept the nonsense about a "religion." Call it a belief-system with elements of worship and a great deal of everything else -- a political system, a social system -- one which is based on a clear division of the Universe between Believer and Infidel. Let Islam be criticized, let Islam be mocked. There will be a gigantic campaign, by Muslims -- there is such a campaign, uncoordinated, spontaneous, by all kinds of Muslims everywhere, to protect the Faith from those who do not discuss it exactly as Believers think they should -- which is exactly in the way that Believers do. But as Ali Sina says, constant mockery, constant awareness of Islam as a totalitarian system, an awareness displayed on every occasion by Infidels, will force certain changes, not least among Muslims of good will and open mind -- or at least stop the onward march of Islam.


Muslims are intent on remaining in the Lands of the Infidels and indeed on swelling their own ranks and power until they will not have to worry about what Infidels think at all. But at this point they still have to worry. They have to worry about whether or not the Infidels will come to their senses sufficiently, will look into history, and will look simply around the world to see how non-Muslims are treated in Egypt and Saudi Arabia, in Iran and Sudan, in Pakistan and Bangladesh and Indonesia, in Malaysia and Afghanistan, and everywhere that Islam prevails and has not been systematically contained either by local despots (Ataturk in Turkey, Bourguiba in Tunisia) and their successors, or opposed by a very large and powerful non-Muslim population (the Maronites in Lebanon until recent decades).

Tell the truth about Islam. Tell it all the time, in different keys. Show that you know what you are talking about. Modify, at times, the way you tell those truths to fit the audience you have, but keep it up. That is the way to make Infidels safer. And it is also the way to hold out hope for those people who, born into Islam, yet not liking it, wishing to escape from it, secretly hope the Infidels will limit its influence, will force changes upon it or at least the perceived need for change to the teachings, and thus the texts, of Islam.

To limit what is said, to be so solicitous of those who do not wish us well, who wish us, our laws, our customs, our understandings, our freedoms, ill, who in many cases are delighted with whatever suffering they can inflict on Infidels anywhere, is crazy. We should worry not about offending Muslims, but about whether or not we have effectively conveyed to them that we understand Islam, and that we understand that it is only those Muslims who do not accept its full teachings -- that is, the bad Muslims -- with whom we can conceivably coexist. And that furthermore we cannot always tell which Muslim is a lax, unobservant, "bad" Muslim, and which is not, nor which children or grandchildren of "bad" Muslims will revert, for one reason or another, to the original, full-bodied, dangerous version.

To engage in self-censorship, to prevent Islam from being freely discussed using terms that are neither obscene nor vicious but only, unfortunately, grimly accurate, to worry about offending Muslim sensibilities, which only promotes (in advance of and in the absence of Muslim rule) the dhimmi mentality, the very theme of Bat Ye'or's Eurabia -- all this will do nothing to protect Infidels. It will do nothing to modify the beliefs of Muslims, nor to encourage the camp of those Muslims who wish that other Muslims would recognize the dangers of what Islam teaches, and work to somehow modify it. If Infidels will not tell the truth about Islam, those would-be "reformers" within Islam will have no one to point to, no way of creating the necessary atmosphere of defensiveness and alarm which is the only thing likely to force at least some Muslims to realize, and then to admit to, some of the dangers and faults of Islam.





Too many people say they get easily bored by something if it is repeated. Too many just stanad in silence and prefer to followe their every day routine, assuming all will be good, the others will care. Too many people think it is not up to them to stand up against aggression, and defend what one is calling "home" and "civilization"

Too few defenders to win this confrontation with Islam, therefore.




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