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Originally Posted by scandium
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Originally Posted by The Avon Lady
What follows are selected Koranic references to fighting and killing infidels.
- Baqara (2):190 - "And fight (qaatiloo) in the way of Allah those who fight you."
- Baqara (2):193 - "Fight them (qaatiloohum), till there is no persecution and the religion is Allah's"
- Baqara (2):244 - "So fight (qaatiloo) in the way of Allah, and know that Allah is all-hearing, all-knowing."
- Nisaa' (4):76 - "Those who are believers fight (yuqaatiloona) in the way of Allah, and the unbelievers fight in the idols' way. So fight (qaatiloo) the friends of Satan; surely the guile of Satan is ever feeble."
- al-Anfaal (8):39 - "Fight them (qaatiloohum), till there is no persecution and the religion is Allah's entirely."
- al-Taubah (9):12 - "But if they break their oaths after their covenant and thrust at your religion, then fight (qaatiloo) the leaders of unbelief."
- al-Taubah (9):29 - "Fight (qaatiloo) those who believe not in Allah and the Last Day and do not forbid what Allah and his messenger have forbidden -- such men as practise not the religion of truth, being of those who have been given the Book -- until they pay the tribute out of hand and have been humbled."
- al-Taubah (9):123 - "O believers, fight (qaatiloo) the unbelievers (kuffaar) who are near to you, and let them find in you a harshness (ghilza)."
- Baqara (2):191 - "And slay them (aqtuloohum) wherever you come upon them"
- Baqara (2):191 - "But fight them not by the Holy Mosque until they should fight you there; then if they fight you, slay them (aqtuloohum) -- such is the recompense of unbelievers."
- Nisaa' (4):89 - "then, if they turn their backs, take them, and slay them (aqtuloohum) wherever you find them"
- Nisaa' (4):91 - "If they withdraw not from you, and offer you peace, and restrain their hands, take them, and slay them (aqtuloohum) wherever you come on them; against them we have given you a clear authority."
- al-Taubah (9):5 - "Then when the sacred months are drawn away, slay (aqtuloo) the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them, and confine them, and lie in wait for them at every place of ambush."
- Nisaa' (4):74 - "So let them fight (yuqaatil) in the way of Allah who sell the present life for the world to come; and whosoever fights (yuqaatil) in the way of Allah and is slain, or conquers, we shall bring him a mighty wage."
- Muhammad (47):4 - "When you meet the unbelievers, smite (darba) their necks, then, when you have made wide slaughter among them, tie fast the bonds; then set them free, either by grace or ransom, till the war lays down its loads."
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Alright, this is certainly every bit as relevant as any other factor (more relevant in the sense that you would have 100% correlation between Islamic terrorists and these passages, although this is a little circular). But to look at the correlation from the other direction: how many of the world's 1.2 billion Muslims are linked (directly or through financial ties etc) to acts of Islamic terrorism?
Again that's where causation comes into play in that why does only a minority of those who commit acts of terror have this view in their religion while so many more of them do not commit acts of terror? Because there are other factors that are at play that are beyond these passages - I have no idea what they are, only that these passages themselves are not sufficient.
I suppose this goes back to another point I made in the other thread: these passages are ideas; why do some (a minority) feel compelled to act on them while so many more do not? |
No. The simple question is: why do the many not actively engage to hinder those that commit such violance in their name?
Poor little Muslims, so weak and vulnerable. Over one billion Muslims out there - and they cannot ban the handful of hate-preachers, and some hundred terrorists that abuse their oh so precious religion.
O, wait. they even don't try. they even resist to any attempt of infidels trying to do the job in their place. Hm. Strange. But probably I just understand it wrong. It cannot be, what shall not be. The majority is not compelled to these ideas, as we just have red. They just do not care, for that they cannot be hold responsible.
EU some weeks ago: palestinian people shall no longer be held responsible for the policy of Hamas, therefore the cash ban has been stopped. What: the people that elected Hamas are not responsible for hamas being in government? I thought that is the principle of democracy - that governments shall represent their people? - The same kind of heavily flawed thinking.
Great going. Holding the church responsible where it has acted violantly on the basis of some old testament's violant scpriture, in violation of the teachings of Jesus. But when Islamic scriptures are quoted of same bloodthirsty and brutal content - it is waved through.
Thank God all this is just about ideas, so it does not really matter. that cake is delicious. What do you think, will the weather improve? I really think we had a little bit to less sunshine so far. Please remind me to water the flowers before we leave for the party tonight.