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Yes, but again, as I mentioned in my post earlier in this thread - this is a cyclic thing on Subsim in the last few months. Of course, I think it shows that it's a really contentious issue that's difficult to solve.

For the record, for a while I sided with those-who-shall-remain-unnamed who sounded the alarms over a real problem coming at the West. The alarms are well-due. But when the discussion moved to hints at solutions - because most people are afraid to state a serious solution, or are keen to post an unreasonable one - well, I found nothing I can agree with. The fact is that everyone's tugging the rope their own way, and quite shamelessly at that.

I'd feel sorry for the loss of an elightened Western culture, with its high humanistic ideals and an emphasis on reason. But I wouldn't feel sorry in the slightest for the loss of a Western culture that's rapidly descending back into the middle ages.

I think we're ultimately in disagreement as to what Western values are. No wonder there's no visible response in the society as yet.