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Skybird · 06-09-06, 07:09 AM

If you can't see what your statement (that enforced marriage is not approved by islam) and my reply pointing at Koran's understanding of women has to do with the newspaper article I linked to, then this is where discussion necessarily ends, for then we do not share enough common ground anymore to communicate, and obviopusly even do not speak the same language. Fact is the article, amongst other details, said that Muslim speakers opposed a law that was meant to outlaw forced marriages, and fact is that you have not or cannot answer my question why it is that Muslim communites allow these speakers to represent them and their interests if it would be true what you say and Islam does not promote forced marriages. Comparable questions about this contradiction I have asked repeatedly over the months, and not one time you were able or willing to answer it. You are trapped in a contradiction and deflect your anger of that on me. I fight for Islam being driven back in Europe, that is true, and both by content of slam'S teaching and by it's history we Europeans have very good and substantial reasons not wanting to see Islam playing a bigger and bigger role in Europe and in the world. you cannot dance on two parties at the same time. Either you want to be Muslim indeed, than your target must be global totalitarian rulerhsip of Islam as it is defined in it's own self-understanding and scriptures and has been prooven to be true in it's complete history, or you stick to the tradition of Western values and understanding of humanitarian philosophy, by which, I suppose, you had been raised and that you were educated in at school. You can't have both. Both is excluding to each other. Sitting over the Koran and learn its verses and Arabic will help nothing to change that, it will only funnel your thinking. As far as I am concerned, I am also getting tired as you of these constant irritations between you and me. I find your effort to be both - Western, reasonable humanitarian and Muslim, scripture-believing totalitarian - absurd. Let's avoid each other.

06-09-06, 07:09 AM	#14
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,800 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	If you can't see what your statement (that enforced marriage is not approved by islam) and my reply pointing at Koran's understanding of women has to do with the newspaper article I linked to, then this is where discussion necessarily ends, for then we do not share enough common ground anymore to communicate, and obviopusly even do not speak the same language. Fact is the article, amongst other details, said that Muslim speakers opposed a law that was meant to outlaw forced marriages, and fact is that you have not or cannot answer my question why it is that Muslim communites allow these speakers to represent them and their interests if it would be true what you say and Islam does not promote forced marriages. Comparable questions about this contradiction I have asked repeatedly over the months, and not one time you were able or willing to answer it. You are trapped in a contradiction and deflect your anger of that on me. I fight for Islam being driven back in Europe, that is true, and both by content of slam'S teaching and by it's history we Europeans have very good and substantial reasons not wanting to see Islam playing a bigger and bigger role in Europe and in the world. you cannot dance on two parties at the same time. Either you want to be Muslim indeed, than your target must be global totalitarian rulerhsip of Islam as it is defined in it's own self-understanding and scriptures and has been prooven to be true in it's complete history, or you stick to the tradition of Western values and understanding of humanitarian philosophy, by which, I suppose, you had been raised and that you were educated in at school. You can't have both. Both is excluding to each other. Sitting over the Koran and learn its verses and Arabic will help nothing to change that, it will only funnel your thinking. As far as I am concerned, I am also getting tired as you of these constant irritations between you and me. I find your effort to be both - Western, reasonable humanitarian and Muslim, scripture-believing totalitarian - absurd. Let's avoid each other. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.