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Originally Posted by Skybird

https://www.economist.com/europe/201...-is-brain-dead


For once, I must agree with him. Well flown, Macronman. Myself, I do not give much for article 5 anymore. I also do not have faith in the US anymore. Which means: NATO is only little more than a memory of the past, an echo, an empty hull. I do not put trust into it anymore. As I see it, Europe currently is posing as an exposed prey: militarily, cyberspace-wise, economically, fiscally. Ironically pushed there not by rivals from the outside, but by he ever-hungry maggots within.

If only Europe had some credible external threat (Baltics trying to invent it do not count).

Originally Posted by Rockstar

It isn't that the U.S. can no longer be counted on to come to Europe's aid or that we are turning our back on NATO. That IMO is just political hay meant to make raising a European army more appealing to the European masses. It is, I think, because we provide most of the money and military might to NATO. The U.S. tends to use that as a tool to throw its weight around influencing European foreign affairs and often times contrary to Macron and Merkel would like. As Macron has said: Europe needs to start thinking of itself strategically as a geopolitical power; otherwise we will “no longer be in control of our destiny.” That right there is the crux of the matter.

I think Macron is just a European federalist.