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Old 10-28-19, 05:41 AM   #7903
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The term deep state is a tricky one to use.

Originally is stems from Turkey and political conditions there at that time.

In Europe it usually is used to refer to a state increasing its power, control and influence beyond the perception focus and by bypassing the legitimation of laws, elections and constitiutions: deep state aims at bypassing checks and balances. It can also mean the friction institutions interl work flows produce - and by that slowing down decisions and intentions of politics: deep state as a quagmire slowing things down the deepr you sink into it. .

In America, the term seem to be used in at least two different meanings, a bit derailed like the term "liberal", which originally referred to "liberty" and not to "being politically left". The one meaning of deep state is parrallel to the paragraph above, is somehow in the succession of Eisenhower'S wrnring of the industrial-military complex eroding state and ursupating, corrupting power and control. But since some years, already before Little Cesar, Republicans use to brandmark opposition to conservative opinions in general as a resistence of the political and state-institutional system to Republican demands to form the country according to their will and ideas. Little Cesar now sto to hook up there and demonises resistence and opposition to himself as opposition projected by "deep state" against him. A minister does not obey? Deep state. A document is leaked? Deep state. His own attempts to bypass rules or to block release of unredacted documents or evidence beign ov erruled? Deep state. The secretary in the anteroom bringing the coffee in too cold to annoy him? Deep state.



Or as Catfish has put it more elegantly:
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Originally Posted by Catfish View Post
What Trump and others talk about the "deep state" is a cloudy felt resistance against their own righteous way to handle things, however that resistance is not some "deep state" conspiracy, but rather common sense of some reasonable people who Trump has accidentally not yet removed from their position.
The term is not agreed on in what it really means and covers. Everyone'S understanding seems to more or less vary a bit. Best is, I think, not to use it. Many use it, but everybody may mean something more or less different by it. Thus it is not so helpful to use it.
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