[Rockstar]

Originally Posted by Skybird

While I can see, and to major parts support, the American attitude of wanting to get out there, my quarrel is with the timing and conditions under which this pulling out has been initiated, not minding to break lots of glas and porcellaine and not caring for betraying an ally who already had bled for you and now you throw him before a monster that has in principle genocide on mind. Trump obviously did not warn Erdoghan of attacking into Northern Syria, and did not tell him of crippling sanctions or any other means that would have stopped Erdoghan from doing what he did. Not before the global echo condemned Trump as well, even parts of his own party tunrign against him over Syria, he suddenly wanted to push the paste he squeezed out back into the tube again. And while he starts to do his wonderful Trumponian magic again, born out of his great and unmatched wisdom (tm) of course, Kurds already got killed by hundreds if not thousands, and atrocities and acts of genocide are already being carried out by Erodghan's fundamentalist allies. Trumps uses his great and ummatched wisdom (tm) - and the Kurds pay the price in blood and lives and torment.

You can leave a lame party you do not like, and do so with some tactful choosing of opportunity and wording, or you leave like an elephant in a glasshouse, smashing evertyhing, breaking everything, demolating the furniture and all windows, not minding the hosts' family and friends slashing their hands and feet in all the broken glass, and not caring for it. I accept America wanting to choose the first, and then following that line. I dispise it for having chosen the latter and not minding the damages it leaves behind for others to get along with.

I dont like it either. Other than the 'freedom and democracy' rhetoric it never was very clear to me why we were in Syria to begin with but I'll say this it sure as hell wasn't to make friends. We cant achieve goals if there were no clear goals stated so I dont see how our departure could have been any different. As u crank mentioned the wars and animosities between tribes and political factions in the middle east are centuries old. Nothing really changed, it was a quagmire when we arrived and still a quagmire when we left and nobody here ever said they had to keep fighting and killing each other.