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ikalugin · 06-25-19, 01:53 PM

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It is actually the other way round - because of the left control of information and buble generation, a perception is created that the centrists are right wingers and leftists are centrists. If you look at the shift of values within democratic and republican parties (as one of the indicators) you would notice that it is the democratic party that shifted left, not republicans that shifted right.

If you sit in a left echo chamber that is growing more radical by the day then even center-left people (ie Tim Pool) would look like crazy alt-righters. Incidentally due to those effects even people who are labeled "right" may actually be center-left people. You can see that creep left here:

Same applies to media, even in the big cable networks the only center-right network is Fox news.

This breeds my personal concern that the modern left would destroy the west, as I would personally feel emotionally sad if such a great civilisation was to die in my lifetime. This concern however does not exist on the national level, as left eroding western competetive advantages may actually be beneficial to Russia.
Trump collusion is actually a good example - the broad left movement is overblowing that event (which was at best carried out by several resource poor non-state actors at the much lower scale than organic operations by other actors, including tech companies themselves) and is now not only wasting their national resources and disrupting political processes, but also destroying any constructive discussions on why Trump (or BREXIT) happened, are used to justify rejection of existance of principled opposition to the left ideas and then justifying unpersoning them.

06-25-19, 01:53 PM	#386
ikalugin Ocean Warrior Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Moscow, Russia Posts: 3,212 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 0	@Catfish It is actually the other way round - because of the left control of information and buble generation, a perception is created that the centrists are right wingers and leftists are centrists. If you look at the shift of values within democratic and republican parties (as one of the indicators) you would notice that it is the democratic party that shifted left, not republicans that shifted right. If you sit in a left echo chamber that is growing more radical by the day then even center-left people (ie Tim Pool) would look like crazy alt-righters. Incidentally due to those effects even people who are labeled "right" may actually be center-left people. You can see that creep left here: Same applies to media, even in the big cable networks the only center-right network is Fox news. This breeds my personal concern that the modern left would destroy the west, as I would personally feel emotionally sad if such a great civilisation was to die in my lifetime. This concern however does not exist on the national level, as left eroding western competetive advantages may actually be beneficial to Russia. Trump collusion is actually a good example - the broad left movement is overblowing that event (which was at best carried out by several resource poor non-state actors at the much lower scale than organic operations by other actors, including tech companies themselves) and is now not only wasting their national resources and disrupting political processes, but also destroying any constructive discussions on why Trump (or BREXIT) happened, are used to justify rejection of existance of principled opposition to the left ideas and then justifying unpersoning them. __________________ Grumpy as always. Last edited by ikalugin; 06-25-19 at 02:10 PM.