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Skybird · 03-25-19, 03:49 PM

Pilot error? No, that would be cheap. It is not one acident, but two, and they both seem to have run the same way, and Boeing seems to bare a devastating ammount of respinsi8blity for having provked them: by making quesitoinbable design decisions, by violating iut sown estlbisahed security routiones, schmees and timetables, by not properly adressing the chnaged geometry of the comolete airframe due to the bigger engines that had to be moved forward - and in order to avoid further delays in certification due to proper pilot training, denying that there would be any need to train pilots and thus pilots being left in th eunknown about vital chnages in handling procedures.

That is not just accidental - that is criminal.

The pilot can only use knowledge they have been provided with. And Boeing seems to have not provided them with what was needed. To accelerate the certification process. To catch up with Airbus soaring list of orders.

Airbus today sold 300 more to China. Severla carriers said they ask for comepnsations from Boeing, or even cancellation of their preorders.

The responsible decision makers at Boeing who designed this obviously overly rushed timetable during developement - quoted Boeing engineer said they (the engineers and designers) had to complete the task of designing the Max model in less than half as many years than such a task usually would be planned for - must see prison from inside for many, many years to come. They killed over 300 people.

Not "pilot error". Its "manager error", or better: manager betrayal of the certification authorities.

Really. To me its not two accidents here that happened, and it is not the pilots who are guilty here, they are just the pawns that some higher beings want so sacrifice now to save their own reputation. Its a crime what has happened.

But maybe Boeing is just too big to fail - or too big to be held responsible. If they would face indeed punitive sentencing, which effectively triples the sentence volumes, the financial damages nevertheless would make the bones even of a giant like Boeing crackling. And that would be somethign a government would not like to happen.

03-25-19, 03:49 PM	#12
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 40,668 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	Pilot error? No, that would be cheap. It is not one acident, but two, and they both seem to have run the same way, and Boeing seems to bare a devastating ammount of respinsi8blity for having provked them: by making quesitoinbable design decisions, by violating iut sown estlbisahed security routiones, schmees and timetables, by not properly adressing the chnaged geometry of the comolete airframe due to the bigger engines that had to be moved forward - and in order to avoid further delays in certification due to proper pilot training, denying that there would be any need to train pilots and thus pilots being left in th eunknown about vital chnages in handling procedures. That is not just accidental - that is criminal. The pilot can only use knowledge they have been provided with. And Boeing seems to have not provided them with what was needed. To accelerate the certification process. To catch up with Airbus soaring list of orders. Airbus today sold 300 more to China. Severla carriers said they ask for comepnsations from Boeing, or even cancellation of their preorders. The responsible decision makers at Boeing who designed this obviously overly rushed timetable during developement - quoted Boeing engineer said they (the engineers and designers) had to complete the task of designing the Max model in less than half as many years than such a task usually would be planned for - must see prison from inside for many, many years to come. They killed over 300 people. Not "pilot error". Its "manager error", or better: manager betrayal of the certification authorities. Really. To me its not two accidents here that happened, and it is not the pilots who are guilty here, they are just the pawns that some higher beings want so sacrifice now to save their own reputation. Its a crime what has happened. But maybe Boeing is just too big to fail - or too big to be held responsible. If they would face indeed punitive sentencing, which effectively triples the sentence volumes, the financial damages nevertheless would make the bones even of a giant like Boeing crackling. And that would be somethign a government would not like to happen. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.