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Old 03-17-19, 05:33 PM   #9491
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Originally Posted by Jimbuna View Post
Thanks Sky, I thought there might be more recent figures out there.

To maintain a sense of clarity below is the link to my source.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...contributions/
Actually, there are, but I found at a first glance numbers from 2017 for one country, from 2016 for the other, and then a third set from 2015 and 2010... I did not want to spend too much time with searching, the money paid by a country can change signficantly form one year to the next, so I tried to find numbers quickly and on the fly that are close together in time.



In general I find it absolutely hilarious that a country contributing one fifth of the total EU budget, has the same and not more power and vote sonly like a coun try that contriubutes less than 1% of the EU budget. If the rule should be that the heavy economy hitters should not dominate due to a 20 time shigher payment of theirs, then it has to be imple,ente ddifferently, it then nevertheless needs a relative link between inflouence/power/voting power and the net contriution the country pays in, but there must then be limits of payments being allowed. Which would also signficantly reduce the budget of the EU and keep it on a much shorter line. If then the UK or Germany shall have no more votes and not more say on matters than for exmaple Malta, then Germany and the Uk also should not be allowed to pay much mor emoney in than Malta does. That way, a fairer balance and more equality would be acchieved.

Did I just describe a heresy? I am so sorry.

Also, I do not get it, it sound slike a man-in-thge-middle attack: If a nation pays in lets say 10 bn, and gets back 8 bn, then why does it even make it this complicated? Why is not just 2 bn paid in, and the other 8 bn stay were they come from and return to anyway? The answer is clear: centralism, and parasite wanting to make a perosnal money for nothing form it.

Its all a hoepless intention with this EU project. A free trade zone it shoud be, and not more. Leave all that freaking socialist making-people-equal-ideology and centralist planned economy madness out of it, and we could be done. If you want to clear the water, don't stir it in order to bring your idea of what order is to the grains of sand in it - but leave it alone, leave the glass of water sit still for a while.

But then all the fat cat and the lobbyists and the social carers and the redistributor industry and the morals-for-a-mission ideologists would lose the alibi for their (parasitical) existence, so I fear this will never happen.


Hayek should be mandatory lecture at schools across all EU nations. The man was so very much more than just an "economist".
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