[Catfish]

This sounds a bit different, yes. And i am all for logic, and calling a spade a spade regardless of political wants or bias.

So, for me, when somone's life is threatend due to a war
a) in case of the middle east perpetrated by nations that are far away and want to enforce their strategical/economical/political interest in that region, with consequences for the population that the latter has no control of
or
b) in case someones's life is directly threatened for political reasons, or being a minority, or just unwanted (like the Kurdish), or because they dared to criticize their government like with Mr Kashoggi, who was tortured and dismembered alive if someone already forgot that.

Those people should be helped. Just because their dear life is being threatened, while for us helping them means a relatively(!)small nuisance to us, if we feel it at all.
To call a spade a spade I am glad Skybird was able to buy his 3000 Euro or whatever VR gaming rig, it seems all those immigrants were not able to hinder him, and sure he did not consider to give the money to helping organisations instead. I do not blame him or others at all (in fact i also care more for myself than for others, computer, car, apartment, house whatever), but some are lamenting from a relatively high level. Yes we have some problems, but compared to Syria? To Iraq? We never had it as good as now here in Europe. In my humblest of opinions, yes we can afford it, and immigration numbers are falling.
If he or me was born in Syria we probably would have other "problems".

This does not mean i am content how some convictable criminals organized like the Mafia are not immediately being deported, but again this is not the majority. If someone steals he goes to jail or is being sent back if his life is not threatened there, if someone kills he should be deported right away.


Another thing regarding post #1.
While it is of course true that not everyone who is afraid of immigrants is a "Nazi", especially parties who promise to "care" for the immigrants in their own special way like the AfD in Germany use the exact same vocabulary as the Nazis; it is as if they directly copied it from the "Stuermer" NSDAP newspaper back then.
They take away our jobs, they are assassins, they will breed more of their offspring than us ("Ueberfremdung", used by the AfD), they will destroy our culture, our country and spirit are bound for destruction. They will take and destroy our religion, and they take and rape "our" women.

If i read or hear such words, my alarm bells start to ring. When such vocabulary and propaganda is being used, it usually means war. Yes i know this war talk is used by the Sun or the Express in England since decades, but i was not worried until Farage and UKIP.

A third thing regarding post #1, and it will not please you: When the NSDAP claimed power, it was not the majority. Indeed they aggressively grabbed power illegally, with frightening and blackmailing other members of the parliament, beating or killing them, since the Nazis were to lose the next election. This is exactly what the AfD is trying in Germany, or what happens in Romania, or Poland. Bleiente's warning or fear is not unfounded. It was most probably the AfD which recently published intimate details of all political adversaries, with copied e-mails, details of their children, their friends, addresses etc., and hints were to hit them.

A last thing about "Nazis", if anyone cares to define this term anyway. They were not the most intelligent people. They hated what they thought of as "the elite". The SA which made it all possible mostly consisted of dumb thugs and scrappers, who wanted to be "great". Of course there were some like Goebbels or other party theorists, but the major part of their early followers were not the brightest. But they were finally given a chance now, after all those years of having no job for whatever reason, being subdued by others they feared or envied, now they had finally won and let the other side feel it. And i do see some analogy. God help us if something like the PiS or AfD parties get the upper hand.