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Skybird · 10-18-18, 07:49 AM

Hospitals as the enemy of patients. Great idea, Neal.

Just because you or anyone thinks it is a great idea that person X has his de facto life ended artificially because somebody else would benefit from that (thats what it is about, whether oyu see that or not), does not mean you have any claim for making such a decision. I repeat: organss from already died bodies, cannot be tranbslpanted, the cdetah criterion has supiciously followed the demands of transplantation medicine in past decades and has been soften up accoridngly, and the fine line between detah and life has become blurry and anything but strict as it once appeared to be. Today, people can be reanimated, under certain and psotiive cicumstances even 20 minutes after "death", and their b rain not suffering at all, or only lightly dmaaged. The same patient, if getting struck by fate and no first class cooling available, would be "harvested", as you put it.

To-be-donors have to make that decision by themselves, voluntarily. That is the only way.

Else you could also say its a public hospital, so they may try experimental methods on you against yur will as well. If I would prorose that as German, the world immediately would call Nazi! and KZ-doctor!

What is life? What is death? Where do individual rights start, where do they end?

Careful with easy, quick, oh-so-reasonable answers here. We know one thing about life and death, we understand this one thing better and better since a few years: and that is that we cannot say, that we do not know as certain as we once assumed we would know.

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Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 40,747 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	Hospitals as the enemy of patients. Great idea, Neal. Just because you or anyone thinks it is a great idea that person X has his de facto life ended artificially because somebody else would benefit from that (thats what it is about, whether oyu see that or not), does not mean you have any claim for making such a decision. I repeat: organss from already died bodies, cannot be tranbslpanted, the cdetah criterion has supiciously followed the demands of transplantation medicine in past decades and has been soften up accoridngly, and the fine line between detah and life has become blurry and anything but strict as it once appeared to be. Today, people can be reanimated, under certain and psotiive cicumstances even 20 minutes after "death", and their b rain not suffering at all, or only lightly dmaaged. The same patient, if getting struck by fate and no first class cooling available, would be "harvested", as you put it. To-be-donors have to make that decision by themselves, voluntarily. That is the only way. Else you could also say its a public hospital, so they may try experimental methods on you against yur will as well. If I would prorose that as German, the world immediately would call Nazi! and KZ-doctor! What is life? What is death? Where do individual rights start, where do they end? Careful with easy, quick, oh-so-reasonable answers here. We know one thing about life and death, we understand this one thing better and better since a few years: and that is that we cannot say, that we do not know as certain as we once assumed we would know. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.