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Old 07-20-18, 07:18 AM   #14
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^ Oh yes, also in Namibia and Tanzania the former german buildings, railroad system, regular pay, and so forth are still being held in high esteem, by the locals. Germany also developed a written language of Kisuaheli/Kiswahili, making it the language of the lower levels of administration, education and the military. Education, christian missionary activity, including alphabetization, book printing and publishing, and so forth. Lettow-Vorbeck and his Askaris are still legendary, especially since L.-V. came back after the war to pay what was left of his warriors, and personally thank them.
All very positive. I guess the whip is seldomy mentioned. There is also a lot of whitewashing. Also in England. Or in Belgium.




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[...] if we let their clever heads come to us so that they are not available in their homeplaces to help building them up? What is this different to exploiting another country's weakness to get its ores, gas, minerals and other natural resources?
But this is exactly the argument of the right wing, that we should accept and let in their best heads, but leave the "scum" of those sh!tholes (Trump) behind. And is that more human than denying them all, democratically? A little bit?

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[...] The native local population of a place is the owner of that place, they turned it into that by investing time, generations of work and fight and suffering and building into it. Foreigners that stay there without the residents' permission, are illegally staying there. To then enforce their removal is both perfectly legal and perfectly moral. End of message. Just saying.
Well you described the native tribes of Rwanda perfectly, generations investing time, work and fight... until some immigrants (colonial powers) came and split those tribes' territory into artificial 'nations', drawing a straight cut through all, while disregarding grown structures, tribes/ethniticies, rivers, mountains, resources, cattle. And then helping one of the ethnicities in the new "nation" to rise in rank, and wealth. And giving them weapons, of course. Only logical what those elites did to the hated competing "lesser" tribes, who could not defend themselves, or run away anymore after those artificial borders were erected by the colonial powers. There was no concept of nation in Africa before, also no 'papers'.

You can say that England or whoever did not invade enough, otherwise more countries would have administration, infrastructure and all. But this all still is not the natives' concept of thinking, or organisation, or culture.
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