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Old 07-05-18, 11:51 AM   #4
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The only reason why I oppose the use of the word "God" is because the term has been associated so much now with a separate divine entity actively creating by its own will and being separate form its creation and creation being subordinate to it, that it is almost impossible now to use this term now and at the same time not being eaten up by this associative context. When the church and its common dogma speak of "God" and I speak of "God", we do not just talk of two different things, but indeed we are all the universe apart. But the wording used by Meister Eckhard in the above quote should make it clear that even in the mystic traditions of theistic religions - and not just Christian but Jewish and once even Muslim tradition had a mystic lineage indeed - this dualistic nature of things hardly is what it is about. In modern cosmology the empty space, the void gets attributed certain characteristics by theoretical scientists like Hawkings, claiming that nothingness/void is not the philosophical concept of "absence of anything", but is a quality like the vacuum of space, and thus has features and characteristics (at least they can be attributed to it), one of them being that nothing/void/space could not just form matter, but even cannot avoid to indeed create somethign from "nothing", form from space. A good and understandable book on that is by Lawrence Krauss, "A Universe from Nothing", 2012.

However, lets not forget, that is good scientific practice, means: no absolute truth claimed, but a theory. Like always and everything in science.

As I have told you before, Rockstar, I do not differentiate that much between what the christian mystics were after, and Ch'an/Zen is pointing at. It makes no sense to me trying that differentiation.

Mind, space, God, one-ness. It may very well all mean just one and the same. The confusion starts where we mistake the finger for the moon it points at, take the name literal, forget the limited reach of spoken/written language, and ignore the danger that we miss what all this stuff on just the surface really is hiding. All these words, ideas, images, and conceptions are just the veil of Maya that hides the real nature of the world. Leaning on the Jewish saying and LaoTse as well: the name of truth cannot be spoken.

The Kingdom of God does not come with signs to be observed. Nor can one say "Look, here!" or "There it is!" for behold, the kingdom of God is within you. (Luke 17:21-22)

Die, before you die,
so that if you should die,
you will not die.
Otherwise, you may be ruined.
- Angelus Silesius -

I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the father except through me. (John 14:6)

See: one, not two. One. Not two kinds of mind, just one. Not two kinds of space, just one. Not "God" and "Me", just one. Not "A does B", just one. Not "subject" and "objects", just one.

And now forget all these many words and their playful dancing, for they again hopelessly mislead you. Its about finding that question without words that needs no words to answer it. The only way to find it may be not to search for it.
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