[scandium]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Jesus' message does not command his followers to kill people that were not of bis opinion, or to make them submit and treat them discriminative.

He also died 2,000 years ago which means he isn't around to admonish those who pervert his teachings or selectively ignore them. All of which happens and has happened under the christian banner. In fact there is probably no better cover for irrational behavior on a mass scale than religion, including christianity.

I also do not feel christian fundamentalists on a crusade to make europe submit and delete my home culture and force me to become one of them, or penalize me if I do not join. I also do not see them rage through the streets like a horde of raby monkeys that often and on that scale as it is the case in Islam.

No because being a more evolved religion, christianity exercises more subtle forms of control. The example I cited here has led to censorship, in many countries, of a movie that is pure fiction. More significant than this trite example would be the influence exerted by the christian abstinence lobby on the developed world, where their efforts have succeed in curbing safe-sex practices and condom distribution. This has profound effects on the Western hemisphere as well when sexually transmitted disease are further spread there and find their way here as people emmigrate and travel.

I find it idiotic to compare Muhammad to Jesus, or Islam to Chrsitianity on the basis of Jesus and the new testament.

This is the problem skybird: you equate a critique on christianity with a criticism of Jesus. They are not the same thing. There is, in fact, considerable room for interpretation of the bible and the various christian religions are very diverse from the different faiths interpreting it in different ways - not all of them even remotely "mainstream". And not everyone who goes to church or adopts the banner of christianity is a theologist. Far from it. Many know little more than their pastor's/priest's/minister's interpretation and he can have considerable power over his congregation irrespective of whether or not he "gets it right" or what the New Testament actually preaches. Jonestown is an example. Waco, Texas, is another.

Problem is, scandium, Christians being violent are so in violation to Jesus explicit message.

That is of little consolation to the victims. The fact is that, right or wrong, people who do bad things in the name of christianity are every bit as convinced of their righteousness as those who do bad things in the name of Islam.