[SeaQueen]

Originally Posted by Bellman

SQ: You and I may be happy with what we have but in the main MP DW gamers will not and cannot tolerate
large maps, distant separations and games which run much over 2 hours.

Then basically what you're saying is that there really is no hope of ever making a realistic MP scenario, and therefore we should adopt equally unrealistic limits on tactics in order to make the situation further contrived?

I like simulations not games.

Taking on board SQs request for more realism in map size/platform separation we are left with a situation
where particularly in LwAmi one cannot risk the higher sub speeds used for searching in SC. Thats the rub !

And that's realistic. One of the big weaknesses of submarines is that they are slow, 4-6 knots is about what one would expect for them to search at. Actually, though, if the distance scale is reasonable, higher speeds become more viable sometimes.

Believe it or not, just due to kinematics, it's often very difficult to hit a high speed target. With barrier searches, where you might only get one opportunity to detect a transitor, the cost/benefit of high speed can be less clear.

Sometimes I worry that some of the reason that people do the things in this game that they do is actually because they just don't have a deep enough understanding of exactly what the important things they need to capture are in order to have a realistic set of possible outcomes.

So... what you get is ultimately Sea Doom (with or without salvos).

This would bring back a facility for stand-off searching in larger maps. So now when the diver gets a distant suspicious NB tonal
he can launch the Mk2 UUV for investigation. Send it steathily out off the contacts bearing, turn back on it and
run it at deployment speed (Sensors off) Slow and search etc.. Or merely patrol UUV/s searching ahead of the sub.

That's great, but it's science fiction. Any fleet actually interested in realism, would ban the use of any UUVs like that.