Thread: FOTRS vs TMO?
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Old 07-13-17, 06:53 PM   #12
Bubblehead1980
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Originally Posted by Rockin Robbins View Post
If you're not enjoying the game then it's the modders' fault! We're going to do some things in FOTRSU that all of us will both love and hate.

We'll have an OTC (probably under a different name) mod where you have a perfect recognition manual with all correct measurements in it and every ship on the ocean represented. If you miss, it will be your fault unless you get a faulty torpedo. I hate this one. Many wouldn't play SH4 without it. We'll have it. I don't have the right to tell you how to play your game.

We'll have probably four different levels of enemy AI, from easy to deadlier than we have now. New players deserve to be able to see all the visual and sound improvements in FOTRSU but right now they can't survive. That's not right and we'll fix it.

Different keyboard layouts, boat skins, plotting grids, even some crazy unrealistic stuff I'm known for, all will be available as Certified FOTRSU Plugin Mods. Roll your own supermod. Coming soon to a computer near you!

Curious. What are you guys doing about depth charges? Changing the damage system? For me, the problem was not so much the AI being set too high in TMO. Ducimus once put it well, attacking escorted ships without getting depth charged is anticlimatic and boring.

The problem as I see it is how the damage model worked with the depth charges.Stock charges were way too powerful (TMO as well) and the damage model with only max hit points for TMO had the hull collapsing rather easily when these subs hulls were tough and could take a real beating even when much of equipment was in shambles. Billfish, Seahorse, Salmon, Halibut, are among boats that come to mind.

I tried to remedy it with my depth charge mod and it helped a lot. Now I've adjusted the sub damage model. Based on travellers model but not tank like. Hull is stronger. Combined with my depth charge mod, sub takes beating, equipment takes damage. When lost its because you took enough damage to key systems you are overhwhelmed and sink below crush depth. Sub will sink from surface if flooding. Since we have no abandon ship option and I hate the gamey special abilities "mr fix it" who repair any damaged item. I made it where things leave player stranded such as rudder as not vulnerable.

During recent testing I let a Type C CD vessel set to Veteran skill depth charge me at 350 feet. I was not evading it was a test. My boat was in shambles. Scopes smashed, radar smashed, all but 2 torpedo tubes smashed, pumps damaged, compressor damaged, aft batteries damaged soem flooding but not instant massive flooding. Dec guns and TBT smashed.I did take Balao class boat was in to 600 feet and slipped away, made it back to port. Now obviously in a non test career wont just sit there and let them get a fix , but it was a nice test.

I'll release my mod for this soon, just making some key adjustments.


I believe tough AI, with proper depth charge settings, and damage model can solve issues. I'm working on it for early war TMO RSRD now. I mean I find early war just boring in the sim since its sinking a lot of singles or when do find convoys and task forces their escorts dont have a clue lol. Perfect example was even in oct 43 in calm seas, i sunk two tankers. The aux sub chaser and momi patrol boat dropped a few charges but never came close. I had a Balao and went to 400 feet, got away with ease. Japanese were not great at ASW early on but they were not that bad lol.

Some reason the aux subchaser did not have active sonar, so I added it. Momi PB had it but it was lackluster. Likely were set to "competent" instead of veteran as many escorts in RSRD are during this time frame.

Once thing I've had to go back and change is the fleet destroyers. Many of them were neutered in RSRD. They didnt have the sensors for ASW even later. Some like Asashio had one DC rack, one empty. prevented from laying down nice patterns.

Part of my upgrade is upping escorts to veteran in 43-45 and a few to elite, making sure their sensor packages are correct for time period and have depth charges when and where they should. 31 and 42 some at left at competent some at vet. With my sim.cfg set for early war, it improves their performance but keeps its accurate for early war. So far I have all the DD's complete and they are once again, an actual threat.

I like your team's approach though Trying to make it to suit a wide audience. Not tell anyone how to play their sim.
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