I've killed a Moskva and Kiev without having a decent solution them, and this was on casual settings. I was in a 688i however.
As soon as you have a bearing, and you have made a half decent ID, fire two torpedos, one slightly behind the other. Let them trundle along deep, hopefully below a strong layer. If they are detected all surface ships in the area will begin to make serious turns and start trying to evade. This will increase your solution rapidly, and make them detecting you far less likely.
You must be within 15Kyds to do it, if you fire at a longer distance they have half a chance to outrun them before the torpedo runs out of steam.
Ideally manually guide the weapon to just below the layer and let it run in. They will try their darnedest to evade but they are just too large to turn that fast.
Two hits will sink them no sweat.
I always use passive torpedos when hunting surface ships, they are so noisy they hardly ever miss.
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