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Old 05-30-17, 12:22 PM   #2980
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Originally Posted by Bilge_Rat View Post
That is the problem with Europeans, they come cap in hand begging for help from the U.S. in public, while mocking the U.S. in private.
While there is some truth in that, I guess that is not currently the point. The point is not, as I've tried to explain, that some criticism of Trump is justified.

The point is how he delivers it, how his manners are and how he's respect for other leaders and their people and is ready to accept compromises (e.g. climate protocol). And how he made his 'smiling' show in contract in Saudi Arabia ('deal') and helped to ridiculous gear up its armed forces. I don't think I have to tell you how Saudia Arabia is contributing 'positively' to the world, especially in the area of terrorism.

Does Europe/Germany need to contribute more in security/defense spending? Yep, for sure.

On the other hand: Which nations supported the U.S. after 9/11, especially in Afghanistan and how many soldiers outside of European nations died and fought along your side?

You mentioned: "most Americans barely give Europe another thought". Yes, but is this good in a more and more connected world ?

In a nutshell, both sides don't seem to remember the world before the end of WWII. They have forgotten what a success story and win/win it was after that period. They think this is just normal. But look at history and you know it was anything but normal...
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