[Von Due]

Originally Posted by Nippelspanner

I didn't say it is, did anyone else here?
Terror attacks are a modern tool of warfare to bring this ideology further.
It wasn't needed in the past.

The Sicarii operated in ancient times and were by all standards a terrorist organization. Terror has a long history. India saw it, Palestine/Israel saw it.

I don't really care why Islam is what it is, what lead to it, or what these freaks think justifies what they do. I don't care. It's not the issue.
The issue is Manchester, Berlin, Nizza, London, Madrid, ... this list is a long one as you know.

It becomes an issue when you want to see it end.

I want it to end, instead of becoming worse.

I'm with you here.

And I see that all these attacks are committed in the name of the same ideology. It's never the Buddhists, the Christians, the Sikh, ...

Oh that is not correct. Buddhist terror has happened in this decade. Christian terror: The Italian mafia's killings of judges, policemen, priests and others, the Mexican drug cartels' grip on the entire Mexican society where femicide now is running rampant, it's terror by definition. For political gains, for power.

Instead of finally addressing the core of the problem, the ideology that openly preaches to destroy the west/conquer it etc., we are more afraid of being not politically correct.

No different from the proposals of literally dropping nukes on the entire Middle East.

What to do? Not sure.

Again I agree. I don't know either. There are points one have to look at though. Western/Russian involvement in these areas, French colonialism today, our domestically tendency of not hiring anyone with "weird" names for jobs other than kebab chefs, acknowledge that resources belonging to another state is not for anyone with a bigger gun to grab, stopping support of oppressive regimes no matter how sweet deals they offer, stopping the divide and conquer mentality found in our own business world, having our politicians and lawmakers acknowledging that human rights are not for a select few, a complete rework on how we "distribute" resources, wealth, medicines, rights... even if we have to pay through our noses financially.

We also are in need of an effective intelligence capable of doing their job. We are our own protection's worst nightmare the way we throw every monkey wrench in their gears in the name of some ideal freedom that doesn't exist in the first place. The agencies on the other hand need to work on their image. Too much funny business have eaten away the public's trust in them.

We also need laws to deal with the shadow figures behind the extremism. I don't cry if a hate preacher gets life in jail with monitored visits. Law enforcement needs the ability to work clandestine to find these figures and that is a problem (see trust issue).

We can hardly "ban" Islam, and it would also just lead to the vast majority of Muslims finally showing their real face. I am sure instant civil war would break out all over Europe.

No civil war but why ban it? For all I care all religion could be banned as a favour to all of us but nah.

Do you think there needs something to be done at all?

Absolutely. See above.

All the terror aside, the ideology is garbage from A to Z anyways, and it is beyond me that we are able to realize that banning Nazism is a good idea, yet we let other ideologies that aren't any better bloom all over Europe and excuse it with "freedom of religion".

The opposite of, or alternative to, freedom of religion is called what? Beside, which religion, if only one, should win? My religion? I have no religion. Your? The Catholics'? Protestants? Or the old religion before it was destroyed by an intruding religion? Which religion, or no religion at all?

This is ridiculous and will lead to the islamization of Europe, even though leftists love to ridicule this term, despite the demographic facts that strongly support it.

Where do you get your facts from?

In a few decades, Europe will have changed drastically.

I'll take that as a prediction. Not a stating of facts as neither you nor I have a working crystal ball. I am not that worried...

But hey, let's rather worry about being PC and convince us that 'diversity' is for some reason the way to go.
If I want to meet other cultures, I go visit their countries.

It's not about being PC. It's about avoiding attrocities that can be avoided if we deal with the real, underlying problems which also include getting those who work in the shadows who are well protected behind laws and apathy.

As for different cultures and all that: Business and politics see it differently and so do consumers when it comes to jobs, money and prices. Then it's ok to go to other countries, not to visit but to demand. This is where finding a solution starts.

Last: How many Islamist attacks from the 4 million muslims in South America? What is South America's involvement in the Middle East? Any correlation?